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If you take a standard effect in mentalism and you change the physical conditions around, the effect will become much stronger.
A book test with a book will be much stronger if you don't use a book.
A drawing duplication that is done face to face will be much stronger if it will be done long distance.
What standard effect in mentalism would you like to change the conditions around and in what way?...
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I suppose a PK touch would be stronger without a touch Smile

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On Mar 25, 2015, mikelsc wrote:
I suppose a PK touch would be stronger without a touch Smile

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No. The premise is already not touching. Unless you do it differently than me? Touching somebody without touching them is the entire effect, right?


Doing it over a long distance, like over the phone, would fit though. Both scope and conviction are positively affected by that.
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On Mar 25, 2015, Seethings wrote:
If you take a standard effect in mentalism and you change the physical conditions around, the effect will become much stronger.
A book test with a book will be much stronger if you don't use a book.
A drawing duplication that is done face to face will be much stronger if it will be done long distance.
What standard effect in mentalism would you like to change the conditions around and in what way?...


It depends on how it's done. About the book test. I remember the imaginary book test in Colin Mcleod's Opening minds.He uses DR. Do you think that it is much stronger than other classics book tests?
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Colin's book test isn't really a book test as it's a prediction.

And saying book test would be stronger without a book makes no sense, then it wouldn't be a book test but just mind reading.
If you could eliminate compromises from a book test that it would be "Any book, Any word, you never touch the book, book test" (Peter spoke about eliminating compromises like that in Bigger Fish 2)

In the perfect world what we do would have no compromises and would just be real mind reading. Every effect has some sort of compromise , whether it would be in the props or process used or how likely it is to work.
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But, you must admit that propless mentalism has major advantages over things like billets.

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Colin's book test isn't really a book test as it's a prediction.

And saying book test would be stronger without a book makes no sense, then it wouldn't be a book test but just mind reading.
If you could eliminate compromises from a book test that it would be "Any book, Any word, you never touch the book, book test" (Peter spoke about eliminating compromises like that in Bigger Fish 2)

In the perfect world what we do would have no compromises and would just be real mind reading. Every effect has some sort of compromise , whether it would be in the props or process used or how likely it is to work.
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Insight, please don't turn this discussion into a discussion about another subject.
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Did you forget your original post? If a book test can be more powerful without a book, then a propless routine can be more powerful than one involving any writing.

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Insight, please don't turn this discussion into a discussion about another subject.
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But, you must admit that propless mentalism has major advantages over things like billets.

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An audience consists of intelligent folks. Reading minds without billets is more amazing to them than reading minds with billets.

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But, you must admit that propless mentalism has major advantages over things like billets.

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Mike



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Insight- Please don't dilute another thread with your nonsense. You are one of the reasons I'm starting to get sick of this place.
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On Mar 25, 2015, Seethings wrote:
If you take a standard effect in mentalism and you change the physical conditions around, the effect will become much stronger.
A book test with a book will be much stronger if you don't use a book.
A drawing duplication that is done face to face will be much stronger if it will be done long distance.
What standard effect in mentalism would you like to change the conditions around and in what way?...


A chair test with no chairs Smile
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Insight- Please don't dilute another thread with your nonsense. You are one of the reasons I'm starting to get sick of this place.





GOOD one Bob.
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Seethings- I understand your point and such considerations are, indeed, an important part of the creative process.

But I would rephrase your original statement. Instead of, "If you take a standard effect in mentalism and you change the physical conditions around, the effect will become much stronger," I'd say, "SOMETIMES, f you take a standard effect in mentalism and you change the physical conditions around, the effect will become much stronger."

And, sometimes, that's not the case. Adding a complication or a seeming "test condition" can, sometimes, actually ADD to any effect and make it much stronger- i.e., the apparent weakness is reframed as a strength.


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Thank you Bob for your post, and I agree.
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Seethings- I understand your point and such considerations are, indeed, an important part of the creative process.

But I would rephrase your original statement. Instead of, "If you take a standard effect in mentalism and you change the physical conditions around, the effect will become much stronger," I'd say, "SOMETIMES, f you take a standard effect in mentalism and you change the physical conditions around, the effect will become much stronger."

And, sometimes, that's not the case. Adding a complication or a seeming "test condition" can, sometimes, actually ADD to any effect and make it much stronger- i.e., the apparent weakness is reframed as a strength.


Good thoughts,

Bob


It's amazing how a word or two added/changed makes all the difference. I agree with Bob.

For me, I am over having these strong phrased rules ("propless is always better than with props", etc.). I think the discussion is worth the time, by the way, I just don't think there are any HARD RULES that apply all the time. Including that rule!

Besides, it's easy enough to just skip over some of insight's posts and just pretend they didn't happen, lol.

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It seems that a lot of people missed the last line of my op.

What standard effect in mentalism would you like to change the conditions around and in what way?...
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