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Mindpro Eternal Order 10585 Posts |
Yes, and an ill-advised opinion at that. Be careful of who and what you listen to and accept as fact.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Why the hostility?
He didn't know where you live. Crime of the century? I happen to agree that the bad hypnotists you describe are much worse for the art. No doubt. If they get on a stage regularly they inflict many more people with bad opinions about the medium in general. I have never personally seen the racist and bigotry though I think some of the X rated stuff qualified as sexist. I just have yet to see a street hypnotist that even remotely entertained me. Ricky Kalamon did it on the TV guide channel of all places. They called it "Seeing Stars". I was quite unimpressed though he suffered from the format to be certain. I think Ricky is a fantastic entertainer and his stage show is phenomenal. So if we can do this without the hostility and hidden cryptic agenda nonsense maybe it can just get to what people think? Let's not ruin it with all sorts of puffery and posing. Now everyone be nice.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
I just think it's time someone stood up to the bully. You should read the way he has referred to me in the recent past. My complaint to the moderators has been ignored, which leads me to think he's either a moderator here or the moderators here are making it clear whose side they take. Either way, if I get banned from here for standing up to him, then so be it.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10585 Posts |
There is no bully here just addressing someone's inquiry and offering valid advice based on experience. If you have a perspective to contribute to the topic it is most welcome. Not sure why the hostility or why you are derailing this and making it personal. Seems you're letting someone else get into your head (not good for a hypnotist). I don't think anything I offered was offensive, non-productive or aimed at you in any way.
Unlike others, I try to not just offer the perspective he asked but also tried to explain why as well. Sorry it's not to your liking. You're correct I don't know (or care) where you are from as nothing I said was directed at you. The comment about the other side of the pond is true. Street hypnosis, closeup hypnosis, or "pub hypnosis" is much more popular there than it is here. Not an opinion but a fact, and not knowing were the OP is from, it was likely someone from there might think otherwise. As Danny said you're welcome to contribute to the topic. I'm sure the OP would like to hear different or opposing views. But to chastise a member for their post and making claims of bullying is uncalled for and offensive. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
Street hypnosis isn't even that popular over here Mindpro. Its a fad. However Kieth Barry's new TV show might drum up some interest in hypnosis. Although the show is absolutely awful. Not Kieth's fault he does a reasonable job with what he has. Its just a silly format which doesn't work. Hypnosis on tv in general doesn't work. ( in my opinion of course)I also hear he is planning a national tour which will probably do well on the back of the tv exposure and the contacts and network he has at his disposal.
"Street" is just a location as is "Stage". What is bad for hypnosis is a flooded market with bad performers and too many training schools and downloadable products. Doesn't matter where they "perform". There are badly skilled stage hypnotists with no ability to entertain but its the stage is where you will find the good ones just because of what is needed to be successful and keep getting paid.. I have never seen what I would call a good performance hypnotist on the street in spite of hundreds of videos online. Why on earth would you? Who in their right mind wants to and for what purpose? Other than self gratification. When your doing it for a living you have no choice to become good to keep selling tickets. And doing it good requires a huge amount of skills and responsibilities that no one knows about until they try it. Internet has caused the same problems for a number of industries its just how things are these days. Reg no one is bullying anyone - you told me once to stop posting here because nobody wants to read my posts.... It seems to me you bully or cry bully depending upon your mood. Your links above are fine but they aren't really typical "street hypnosis" examples. As you said at the time on the first clip the amount of takes and editing needed to get that footage were considerable. Saying that the final product while satisfying the TV companies is pretty bland and nothing close to a good live stage show. You however did a good job in that context. As for the second clip? I'm pleased you've found a market if you are happy doing these types of gigs. It looked incredibly boring to me but is not typical street hypnosis either. But I recognize the skill and commitment to find and do these types of gigs successfully. However I am aware the reason you are so defensive of street hypnosis is that you sell related products courses. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Reg I am sorry but those clips just bored me out of my mind. I mean even slickly edited they were boring. Very boring.
Now that is a simple opinion. Obviously from the available clips "danger" does not come into play. But the danger of boring an audience seems to. I have to say I don't even understand the "street magic" fad, though that has faded as well thank God. (Busking I get and have done, the idea that you walk up to random people for no reason I don't get.) You have a vested interest as you sell products. OK cool. Nobody is bullying you if we simply do not enjoy the medium. I have had people watch my show and not like it. That is what is beautiful. Nobody has to like everything.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
Thanks for the frank opinions. I hope it hasn't put off others from posting examples of their work here.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Reg, I will offer an honest opinion on your two clips. The first one was very entertaining. The second one was intriguing, but impossible to judge on the short bit there. You get a thumbs up though for doing street hypnosis in a thoroughly professional manner, a great deal better than the people who stick hands to tables in pubs and call themselves hypnotists.
So keep posting!
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
As I have said there are people bored to tears from my show.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On Mar 29, 2015, quicknotist wrote: I posted mine a good few years ago. A few on here didn't like the content which is fair enough. most of them were street hypnotists at the time I guess its no secret how I feel about street hypnosis. But many in private most told me they really liked it. I find it strange how many stage hypnotists are afraid to admit publicly they liked a clip of a show aimed at adults. Including you Reg. Then later after we "fell out" you slated it on here. The thing is I don't care I created that show after a lot of research into the market at the time. It was a commercial decision aimed at a specific market. It is a market I prefer doing but It was done to make money and in that regards it was very successful. just as you mentioned the amount of work that went into your TV clip the amount of work and additional problems skills pressures I had to develop to make it successful are something you need to go through to understand it. So I do understand the amount of work that goes into a piece of "professional commercial work". I do understand that you had to put a lot of work into those clips which are professional regardless of whether I liked them personally or not. But they aren't really examples of "street hypnosis" they don't represent 999.9999% of what is normally taken for being street hypnosis. And 999.999% of those who are interested in street hypnosis and who buy products or want to learn do so for self gratification and not to produce a commercial piece of work. They want to run around getting random people to slouch over stick hands to tables and get as much attention as they possibly can. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I have to say I am not a fan of the "adult oriented" show either. But that is an OPINION and nothing more. One person, one opinion.
My problem with most of what I see of "street hypnosis is it is just so heavily edited. This for example was edited well but edited HEAVILY. It is what it is, but for me almost ANY hypnosis show taken out of the environment it is designed for and squashed down and put on a video medium LOSES A LOT. MY show included! MOST of the experience in a hypnosis setting be it street or stage comes from it happening right there, from it being people you may or may not know or whatever. To me this is true of all live performance mediums. So do not be offended or confused about my attitude towards street hypnosis. I think it is pointless, I think it is not entertaining but when squashed down to a video medium it loses a LOT. So does magic. So does mentalism and for that matter so does THE WHO.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
I can't be held responsible for the editing. This is how it was broadcast on TV for a daytime kids' show. We are recording lots of these. Those which work well live don't necessarily work for broadcast. It is an interesting process. If I thought anyone was more interested, I would discuss it in more detail.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Behind the bluster I think many of us are interested. This forum should be about hypnotists sharing stories, tips, and experiences, and that would definitely come under all three.
Check out Tony's new thriller Dead or Alive http://www.amazon.co.uk/Alive-Varrick-Bo......n+carson
http://www.PartyMagic.ie |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2015, quicknotist wrote: This is the point Isn't it. What works live may not work in TV. Don't be offended. We are allowed to not like the style. Just as you are allowed to not enjoy ours. But why make it personal?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2015, quicknotist wrote: But that's the point its an edited piece for TV. Its created to please the producers. Its not a genuine piece of "street hypnosis" if there is such a thing. You also go on a lot about how Stage hypnotists are out of fashion. There was nothing fresh or new in that clip that I haven't seen as a kid watching Robert Halpern. There was things happening in the 90s that look fresher and more creative than that. You don't have to apologies for the editing Reg that's what was required by the TV company in that respect you did the job you were paid to do. as for adult, family shows or whatever as far as I am concerned the type of show doesn't matter because bad shows happen in any category. What matters to me is if they fulfill their outcomes. Are they funny do they entertain the audience do they make money? I personally find the vast majority of hypnosis shows boring as hell. For me the good ones are about getting the right responses from the volunteers. Anyone can do skits with a modicum of ability. But to set things up and allow them to grow into something unique and sometimes very special is something to be aimed at. It doesn't always happen but when it does come together its something that can't be had in any other medium. For me that's what its about on a personal level. |
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
[quote]On Mar 30, 2015, mindpunisher wrote:
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On Mar 30, 2015, quicknotist wrote: But that's the point its an edited piece for TV. Its created to please the producers. Its not a genuine piece of "street hypnosis" if there is such a thing. You also go on a lot about how Stage hypnotists are out of fashion. There was nothing fresh or new in that clip that I haven't seen as a kid watching Robert Halpern. There was things happening in the 90s that look fresher and more creative than that. In fact go back and watch Peter Power's old TV shows that started off the Street fad. You will get some good inspiration if you are ever asked to do some more TV. You don't have to apologies for the editing Reg that's what was required by the TV company in that respect you did the job you were paid to do. You did a professional job. Hypnosis is a live medium. as for adult, family shows or whatever as far as I am concerned the type of show doesn't matter because bad shows happen in any category. What matters to me is if they fulfill their outcomes. Are they funny do they entertain the audience do they make money? I personally find the vast majority of hypnosis shows boring as hell. For me the good ones are about getting the right responses from the volunteers. Anyone can do skits with a modicum of ability. But to set things up and allow them to grow into something unique and sometimes very special is something to be aimed at. It doesn't always happen but when it does come together its something that can't be had in any other medium. For me that's what its about on a personal level. You know when you hit that spot when the audience sits in their seats not wanting to leave after 2 and a half hours and still want more. I don't care what anybody says that's when you know you've done a good show! |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10585 Posts |
I'd like to know how I got accused of doing adult or sexist shows? Anyone that has ever seen my performances or the markets I work know my shows are anything but adult. It's actually much easier to entertain with an adult show or a dirty comic, being squeeky clean is much more of a task.
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quicknotist Special user 888 Posts |
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On Mar 30, 2015, Mindpro wrote: I agree, but I don't see where you were accused of that. I was just pointing out several factors which in my opinion discredit and cheapen hypnosis far more than anything I do. Quote:
On Mar 30, 2015, mindpunisher wrote: It's an ongoing contract. We were in a shopping mall last week filming some more. |
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Amro New user Room 217 51 Posts |
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On Mar 28, 2015, Mindpro wrote: I second that! Hypnosis should not be a tool in the hands of a power-obsessed stage-magician. It should not be seen as a magic trick. Being a hypnotherapist myself, I would like to add that clearly any stage or street hypnosis is potentially dangerous and can get out of control if you do not know what you are doing. More importantly, IF something goes wrong, you have to know how to handle it. There is a famous show-hypnotist whose name I will not reveal who, during one of his shows, suggested to two teenage-girls that one was the mother and the other was her daughter, not knowing that the second one had lost her mother in a gruesome car accident. Coming out of the trance she was visibly shaken and he was very pleased with the reaction at first, as it showed his immense powers. But the truth is he turned her into a patient by retraumatizing her. There is a good reason why show-hypnosis is forbidden in some countries (as far as I know in Israel, Austria and Sweden) and is restricted in several more. I can absolutely understand (and I share) your enthusiasm as hypnosis is fascinating indeed and if you really want to use hypnosis responsibly, I recommend formal training. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Oh Lord.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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