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Otto D
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I have recently started putting together some sets for close-up, but there are couple of my card tricks that require a set up. The only way that I can think of to allow me to change between different decks without arising suspicion is to put a non-card trick in the middle. Any suggestions as to how else I could achieve this would be very useful.
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Hi Otto! Welcome to the Café! Smile

You mean switch decks? There are many ways to do this. One, is buy the book, "The Art of Switching Decks" by Roberto Giobbi:

http://www.amazon.com/Switching-Decks-Ro......0CD7DIK2

Another is the Deck Shell:

http://www.chazpro.com/deck-shell-bicycle-poker-red-back/

Does this help?

Doug
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Thanks Doug! I will look into those. I hadn't realised that there would be that much material on it. It seems like such a small part of the routine. I just goes to show, the devil's in the detail.
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One way might be to put the deck away while using say only 4 cards.

Then bring the deck back into play.

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I HIGHLY recommend Roberto Giobbi's book!!

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It's also possible to stack a deck right in front of people while you're chatting with them. You'd be amazed what you can get away with. Especially if you stack the deck and then do some false shuffles and cuts.

Some of this may depend on how in depth of a stack you're doing, but I'm always surprised how easy it is to pull "fast ones" right out in the open.

Harry Lorayne really introduced me to being this bold in his book Classic Collection Vol. 1. He would frequently talk about getting into a stack right under people's noses. I had a hard time believing him just reading it, it sounded to impossible. Surely people would notice? But I got bold and tried it and lo and behold, it works. Most people don't pay too much attention.
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Since I work only with borrowed decks I use that idea a lot in some of the routines I'm including in the new book I'm working on.
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Hi Harry! Smile Are you a Deck Shell kinda guy at all? I have the two red and the blue Chazpro put out. These are fine quality props. I don't do cards much at all. But I can switch a deck right under your nose with one of these. Indetectable. I use it mainly to ring in and out a gaff deck.

I can't false shuffle and cut worth a .damn. Watch Bill Malone! I have NO idea how he does that false riffle shuffle, false cuts five times, false riffle shuffles. I mean, WOW! I don't even try.

So yeah, I use gaff decks when I have to. Ring it out, and throw the regular deck on the table. Or do a trick with a regular deck, which I don't do much.

Doug
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Like I said, I use only borrowed decks. I rarely switch in a deck. There's one routine I use that requires a large setup (fresh in my mind because I'm including it in a book I'm just completing)and when I want to perform it, I'll have the deck with me, take it out openly, shuffle of course, and say that this is a magic deck I brought just for them. I do the routine and then give them the deck, saying that perhaps it will also do some magic for them. Best - Harry L. (PS: I don't even know what a Deck Shell is, but not hard to figure out.)
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Helps me cheat! LOL! Sometimes I don't need it. The Pocket Switch is as easy as it gets. Or the Sleeve Switch, which I used once. Although I don't use one, studying work on The Topit can help a lot, and give you insight on The Offbeat and misdirection.

To tell ya the truth, if I did Card Magic much, I'd start out with Lorayne: The Classic Collection. Yeah, $100 apiece, I know. But this is where ya get Card Magic using a borrowed deck! Ya ain't gotta switch jack! Vol 1 is out of print, but Vol 5 just came out! Think about what you spent $400 on recently. I mean just The HaLo Cut & routines, The Ultra Move, Goin' Fishin'...that's in Vol 2.

My pension limits me to what I can buy today. But if cards are your thing, Lorayne: The Classic Collection is an investment. But back on topic, switching decks is no big deal. Most of the time, they are not paying attention and you can fly it right by them. Get them to look you in the eye. Bam! The Offbeat. Most card sleights work best that way. Like my ridiculous attempt at a Pass! I do get by! Believe it or not!

Otto's set up decks do require a logical way to ring them in and out. Putting a non-card trick in between is most likely the best idea.

Doug
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I really like Suzanne's deck switch. She explains is on her DVD about her Magic Castle Act.

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Here is a useful post. I don't do enough cards, and am a hobbyist, so free advice is best.

http://blog.magicshop.co.uk/2013/07/deck......how.html
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Otto, sent you a PM. No-sleight, under-fire switch you can do by tomorrow.
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Otto D
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Thank you DWRackley, it was very useful and I will use it in performances. Also Gomerel, free advice is the best especially as a student, I have now signed up to the blog, thanks for the link.
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There's also, what looks to be, a pretty neat gimmicked box you can get from the magicshop, called "Flash Deck Switch 2.0"
Dunno how good it bad it is but seems pretty straightforward...
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I like going to a four card routine to switch decks.
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You may also want to consider routining your effects differently so you wouldn't even need to worry about switching decks. Maybe put the effect that requires a stack first in the set. If it's not ideal as an opener you could pair it up with a packet trick or something else that won't disturb your stack.
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On Mar 29, 2015, Dougini wrote:
Hi Otto! Welcome to the Café! Smile

You mean switch decks? There are many ways to do this. One, is buy the book, "The Art of Switching Decks" by Roberto Giobbi:

http://www.amazon.com/Switching-Decks-Ro......0CD7DIK2

Another is the Deck Shell:

http://www.chazpro.com/deck-shell-bicycle-poker-red-back/

Does this help?

Doug


Thanks for the info Doug. I had the same question.
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My pleasure! Welcome to the Café, Hondo!

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To tell ya the truth, if I did Card Magic much, I'd start out with Lorayne: The Classic Collection. Yeah, $100 apiece, I know. But this is where ya get Card Magic using a borrowed deck! Ya ain't gotta switch jack! Vol 1 is out of print, but Vol 5 just came out! Think about what you spent $400 on recently. I mean just The HaLo Cut & routines, The Ultra Move, Goin' Fishin'...that's in Vol 2.

I agree with this completely. Since I got Vol. 1 it's been the only card book that I've used. Setting up a deck under their nose can be nerve racking at first, but do it a few times and you find out exactly what you can get away with.
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