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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2015, landmark wrote: I don't, but I appreciate your mileage ' s variance. You can't play the "I'm just a mindreader" card when you also created the mind.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2015, TomBoleware wrote: But Tom, you've already admitted that, unlike your God, you would bring decent nonbelievers into Heaven. Are you now contradicting yourself? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
Personally I'm against the M&Ms and cotton candy.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
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I believe I said, “I would be forgiving but not sure I would forget all the things you did.” Meaning, unless you asked for that forgiveness I might not be so happy. I put you here, gave you a choice, a mind to help you make that choice, what else you want? Surely not to take way the ability to think on your own, like I did some, but those get a free pass. The rest are free to choose. Nothing unfair about that. Tom
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
There's a book by Larry Niven called "Inferno." A science fiction writer dies unrepetant and is sent to Hell. While there, he meets a guide named Benito and is taken through all the levels of Hell to reach the center where he can find a cave that will lead to Heaven.
At the end of the book. While sitting in the cave with Benito. Alan, the writer, says that he's come up with a reason why God would create a Hell and there's only one way to test it. I won't spoil it for you, go to the library and find "Inferno" by Larry Niven.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2015, TomBoleware wrote: So are you saying that as long as nonbelievers ask for forgiveness after they die, then you would allow them into Heaven? And if not, then you might send them to Hell? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2015, TomBoleware wrote: I'm confused. Who exactly did you take away the freedom to think from, and why do they get a free pass?
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: I will only repeat what I said earlier. Knowing something will happen is not the same as causing it to happen.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Ron after they die it’s too late.
Did I mention my number one rule; I don’t have to explain myself to nobody. What’s done is done. Take it or leave it. Tom
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https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
You are having a causal conversation God. You are holding an apple. Now God says to you. I know whether you are going to take a bite of that apple or not. However the choice is yours. But he still knows what your choice will be.
Of course a mentalist can do the same thing with two pieces of paper. One saying your bit the apple and the other saying you did not bite the apple.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
No not hard at all when you only have two choices.
Also keep in mind, refusing to choose is a choice. Tom
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2015, TomBoleware wrote: For the most part we agree on most issues. However The, keep in mind, refusing to choose is a choice. Not really. Think about it.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2015, acesover wrote: I guess certain types of minds think alike. Most of the time. Still wondering who doesn't get the ability to choose, and why.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
When you have to make a choice and don’t make it, that is in itself a choice. Isn’t it?
NYC, certainly a child that hasn’t learned to think should get a free pass. Or perhaps someone through no fault of their own has become unable to think clearly. Tom
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2015, TomBoleware wrote: Seriously curious about this. So, the mentally impaired, who you chose to take the choice away from; and children, who have no choice until a certain age. at which point they are responsible for making choices, get a pass?
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Of course, why not? It’s only fair that they do.
Now that impairment may not be as bad as some think. Tom
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https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/amazekids/the-daycare-magician/ My Blog - https://boleware.blogspot.com/ |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2015, TomBoleware wrote: I do understand your reasoning. But the point I was trying to make is that if you do not make a choice as per the example with the apple you do not bite it. Ergo the choice is negative , NO BITE...although not a choice but electing to do nothing is not biting the apple in this example. OMG I have a headache, lol. Tom, it may be difficult but definitely worth the effort. Try and pretend that NYCTwister is not here.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2015, acesover wrote: If you keep coming out of your corner little man then eventually a Muslim will get behind you. I'm trying to help you so, for your own sake, stay in your little corner of the world. Everyone is the same there, so they will protect you while you laugh like a madman. Ian says hi, Btw.
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NYCTwister Loyal user 267 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2015, TomBoleware wrote: So my assumption about your decision making processes, if you were god, is correct?
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
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On Apr 22, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: Lobo, this quote is not in reference to people like you and I. Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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