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But, frankly, I am far more interested in the victim's parents' state of mind than in Tsarnaev's. As I said in the OP, I don't think I could be that generous. I am very interested in how and why they came to that conclusion. I want to know more about who these people are. They seem fairly remarkable to me.

From my reading of it they are concerned that their lives will be taken up in endless appeals if the death penalty is chosen. They are seeking life imprisonment to end this thing and move on with their lives, not out of compassion. I may be wrong, but that is how I read it.


That was my impression, too.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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I think there are people who are just evil.


I'm pleasantly surprised!


To be clear I am interpreting this as you are surprised he would admit this, not that these people exist.



I'm a little surprised to learn that Landmark shares my belief on this point. Not everybody does.

I think there are some very damaged people out there. Damaged beyond any hope of repair.
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This was eye-opening:

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The US is in some bad company in that chart. The only first world countries on there are Japan and Taiwan.
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For a place with a small population North Korea is way up there.

It's be interesting to see what crimes the committed in Nth Korea to justify execution - it appears one doesn't have to do something that would be regarded as particularly heinous anywhere else in the world.
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Let's not forget about US Partner-in-Peace™ Saudi Arabia.
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To provide some more depth to the issue, a Reddit user Montevideoj converted the Amnesty data to per capita figures.

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Wow - In El Salvador a first time drink driving offense warrants execution but they're a lot more lenient in Bulgaria - you have to be caught twice.
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Wow - In El Salvador a first time drink driving offense warrants execution but they're a lot more lenient in Bulgaria - you have to be caught twice.



In a related story, El Salvador has a tiny fraction of the 10,000 or so annual drunk driving deaths that occur in the USA.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Are you recommending it for such?

I'd save it for telemarketers, myself.
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Are you recommending it for such?

I'd save it for telemarketers, myself.


With a bit of good old fashioned drawing and quartering thrown in for good measure.
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Wow - In El Salvador a first time drink driving offense warrants execution but they're a lot more lenient in Bulgaria - you have to be caught twice.



In a related story, El Salvador has a tiny fraction of the 10,000 or so annual drunk driving deaths that occur in the USA.


Hey, if it saves just one life ...
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The fear of a execution and life in prison is not going to stop many people from murdering illegally. We need a torture penalty.
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The fear of a execution and life in prison is not going to stop many people from murdering illegally. We need a torture penalty.



Touting for new venues?
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The fear of a execution and life in prison is not going to stop many people from murdering illegally. We need a torture penalty.


Really?
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A torture penalty was used against the slaves in the USA after a number of revolts. After a slave revolt in New York in 1712 one of the leaders was slowly fried to death on a large metal plate. The torture is said to have lasted ten hours. Another was broken at the wheel. That might suit your ideas, Mike. He was strapped to a wagon wheel and his legs and arms were systematically beaten with mallets. But they were careful not to hit his head or torso which might have quickened his end. The rest of the rebels were burnt at the stake.

How did that work out, Mike?

Oh yes, the slaves kept revolting, emancipation was won, the blacks kept agitating, civil rights were won. Thankfully torture was not a deterrent.

It has not been found to be a deterrent, except in the short term, anyplace.
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I think he was kidding.
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You'd like to hope.
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A torture penalty was used against the slaves in the USA after a number of revolts. After a slave revolt in New York in 1712 one of the leaders was slowly fried to death on a large metal plate. The torture is said to have lasted ten hours. Another was broken at the wheel. That might suit your ideas, Mike. He was strapped to a wagon wheel and his legs and arms were systematically beaten with mallets. But they were careful not to hit his head or torso which might have quickened his end. The rest of the rebels were burnt at the stake.

How did that work out, Mike?

Oh yes, the slaves kept revolting, emancipation was won, the blacks kept agitating, civil rights were won. Thankfully torture was not a deterrent.

It has not been found to be a deterrent, except in the short term, anyplace.


You have no idea from that anecdote whether or not it was a deterrent.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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You'd like to hope.


Yep.
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