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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On May 2, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote: Not so sure he is kidding. remember this is his posts on another thread here: What do we want?...JUSTICE! When do we want it?...NOW! That could be be justice in his mind...torture.
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
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On May 2, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: Charles II had Oliver Cromwell's rotten body dug up, hung, beheaded and drawn and quartered. There is no suggestion Cromwell ever again deposed an English King so I think there is evidence for the efficacy of torture and capital punishment. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
. Humorous point taken, but Tony's serious point is quite logically flawed. "Deterrent" wouldn't mean that *all* revolts stopped, but rather that there were fewer than here otherwise would have been.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
There is no law in Bulgaria, it’s Mafia country.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On May 4, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: Ok, here is another example. In 1916 a group of people with no popular support in Ireland rebelled against the English authorities who then ran the country. The rebellion was crushed in a week, despite the fact that the British were taken up with the First World War. Many tens of thousands of young Irish men were fighting for the British in the trenches, and there was no real support for the rebels. Shortly after the rebellion many of the leaders were sentenced to death, and executed by firing squad. One was injured and had to be shot in his wheelchair. When the leaders were killed, the Irish suddenly switched allegiance and backed the rebels, and within three years a full-scale war was in progress against the British. That would not have happened if the British had not chosen to use the deterrent effect of executions. Lengthy prison sentences would have actually served as a far bigger deterrent. Sometimes a deterrent serves the purpose of annoying a populace and making them more eager to overthrow the regime that imposes the deterrent. I believe that if whites had treated blacks better the march to civil rights would have taken a lot longer. I know that if the British had treated the Irish better after the 1916 rising, we would not have progressed to the war of independence. Deterrents often back-fire. Ask the Baltimore police force. They'll tell you.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
The plural of anecdote is not data.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
I know, Danny. But how much scientific study has been done on the deterrent effects of torture and execution? Not really one of the hot areas of research.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
Actually there is considerable research done on torture.
Danny Doyle
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
On it's effects as a deterrent? Point me in the right direction. I am always eager to learn.
I feel that deterrents are a very blunt instrument. There is anecdotal evidence (the Irish example I cited for instance) that sometimes a deterrent backfires. That is human nature. Obviously sometimes a deterrent works. But I don't think you can take it as a given.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Tony- I wouldn't consider the Irish example to be anecdotal. It's a matter of documented historical fact.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
Https://www.utexas.edu/law/centers/human......Work.pdf
A place to start. Not too hard to find studies actually.
Danny Doyle
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts |
As a means of punishment or persuasion do bombs work?
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Danny, interesting article. But not conclusive. For example, the author acknowledges that the French use of torture in Algiers was a failure, leading to a French withdrawal from that country. He also says that the CIA torture program in Vietnam was ineffective. In fact the whole thrust of the article was that torture does not work.
Unfortunately any study will be anecdotal, as much of this was. It is based on a historic record of what happened, not on any sociological or psychological assessment of the effects of torture, execution, etc. As I said, it would be difficult to get a research grant to study the actual effects of torture. Far easier to get a historic perspective as this study did. More anecdotes, but cloaked in academia.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On May 4, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote: Had a quick read through. Very interesting. Hope to read more thoroughly later. Thanks, Danny. This one isn't a study, but it's an (informed) summary of other findings, including historical reports. It's pretty persuasive, nonetheless.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts |
Yea I thought it a better place for ME to start as a "study" tends to bog down my mind. Not as smart as I think I am sometimes.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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