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sjdavison Inner circle Surrey, UK 1379 Posts |
Try it....! I think it'll work very well!!!
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purpleflag New user 54 Posts |
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On Apr 30, 2015, sjdavison wrote: OK, interesting, but does it work if your name isn't Simon? :p |
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Cervier Inner circle France 1274 Posts |
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On Apr 30, 2015, purpleflag wrote: I'll tell you when I have tried it
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
What if they ask me what does a Simon do?
Professional mentalist and digital artist for mystery performers. check out my work at www.facebook.com/EverElizaldeArtStudio
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truman Special user 635 Posts |
I just got an email from Penguin with the subject line "When I want to read someone's mind, THIS is the trick I go to." In the body of the email, it says, "Ryan Schlutz knows literally hundreds of card tricks. But when it's time to convince someone he can read their mind, he goes with this one."
I suspect a lot of you received the same email. Do they really think that someone who has been barraged with card tricks will somehow be "convinced" that the magician can read minds? Also, I don't get bent out of shape when mentalism effects are called "tricks," but in this case, it seems a bit out of place. |
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truman Special user 635 Posts |
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On Apr 30, 2015, E.E. wrote: He says, of course. |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
It seems to me Penguin doesn't understand the line between mentalism and magic and how to offer them. Their mentalism lectures are among their best, yet even they still lump them in with magic in many ways. You would think we the mentalism community would be getting more respect from them. This whole magician's taking over what used to be mentalism, as it's own art form is getting crazy. Too bad. What amazes me is how the community just lets it happen.
No disrespect to Dan Harlan, but every time I see him hosting one of these mentalist lectures, as good as he may be, I still think why is a magician hosting a mentalism lecture? What's wrong with Ross Johnson, Ted K., Banechek, Jon Stetson, Docc or Bob Cassidy being the host of the mentalism series of lectures? Someone more directly affiliated with mentalism and away from the crossover of mental magic or magic to mentalism. |
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Oliver Wallen Regular user London 152 Posts |
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On Apr 30, 2015, sjdavison wrote: Telling people you're a Mentalist, in the UK, is easy because when they get confused and ask you what that means you can just add "like Derren Brown"! |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
And that's a problem, I think. Why would anyone want to present themselves to be just like someone else? I'd rather have people remember me as Bob Cassidy than as someone who is just like the guy they saw on TV.
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Oliver Wallen Regular user London 152 Posts |
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On Apr 30, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: While I agree, it doesn't matter that much to me. I'm currently a student who does mentalism every now and then for fun. I don't generally try to make a profit off it it - at least not yet, anyway. For me, the main thing is that the spectator enjoys my performance and that I've made their day slightly more entertaining. "That guy that did the amazing Derren Brown thing" (or words to that effect) is enough for me because then they still remember what I did which means I left them with something. It's better than being called Dynamo, which happens often, and then having to explain that I'm not a conventional magician. Maybe after my degree, if I pick up mentalism professionally, my views will change. But who can predict the future? |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Ask around. There are quite a few members here who do that.
Welcome to the Café, Oliver. And good luck to you as you continue your journey in mentalism. Good thoughts, Bob |
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purpleflag New user 54 Posts |
If you introduce yourself as "…like Deren Brown" which name will they be thinking about?
Deren Brown or that guy "…like Derren Brown"???? |
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Oliver Wallen Regular user London 152 Posts |
Mr Cassidy, I am honoured by your warm welcome.
And Purpleflag, If people confuse me with Derren Brown, I'll consider it a massive success. As for being remembered, it's really not one of my main worries. I just want to entertain people every now and then. I'm not trying to make a name for myself - not yet, anyway. Let's get my degree out of the way first and see how things go. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Of course, if I was stopped by the cops I would not hesitate to say my name was Derren Brown.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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Chris_Thomas New user 3 Posts |
Hi Oliver
I know exactly where you are coming from, I am also from the UK and by mentioning Derren it can not only save a lot of time and explanation but also gets people interested. I tend to find using a tongue-in-cheek line saying something like: "just like Derren Brown...but I am better as I am not going to charge you for the performance" gives a warm opening and differentiates me a little bit whilst still establishing the format of things to come. I believe it was in Derren's recent lecture on Penguin that he mentioned it is fine to emulate to begin with but gradually differentiate as you find your feet (paraphrasing) I do wonder how long it is before you can really say you are presenting yourself in a truly unique manner though. A slight aside, it is great to join a community where the most experienced experts in the field interact with us that are in the early stages of our journey, thank you for the wisdom and insight. |
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1533 Posts |
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On May 1, 2015, Chris_Thomas wrote: thank you for the wisdom and insight Oh come on, don't thank him. What does he ever done for you
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Chris_Thomas New user 3 Posts |
I meant people such as Bob Cassidy and Scotty Walsh, it has been good to see the discussion and references to their views
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Oliver Wallen Regular user London 152 Posts |
Hi Chris!
To be honest, I don't think saying that you're better than Derren Brown is a good idea, because to me that sets up a challenge scenario where the spectator is disappointed if they don't think you're as good as Derren. I think "I'm like DB, but free!" would be a safer alternative. Anyway I'm not here to tell you how to perform your act (nor am I implying that you're not as good as Derren), just thought I'd pitch in my opinion. Best of luck to you! |
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BrandonBeckerMentalist New user Pennsylvania, USA 32 Posts |
In terms of using psychology for mentalism, the sad reality is most effects DON'T use any. It's all illusion dressed up as psychology. If you're interested in incorporating actual psychology into your effects, check out my ebook: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X65MFLS
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