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Anneman New user San Diego, CA. 6 Posts |
Over 20 years ago I saw David Roth perform Fast And Loose at at lecture at UCLA. He had the BEST ending that I've ever seen or read about. I can't remember it. I can't find it in print. Can anyone help?
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts |
I saw him do the routine in Baltimore many years ago and my thoughts were the same. Unfortunately, I wasn't too interested in Fast and Loose at the time, so I didn't make note of it. Since then, I've become very interested. Having said all that, the routine isn't in print or on DVD. I try to attend David's lectures whenever he appears in the D.C area. The last time he was here, I asked him about the routine and he was pretty firm about the fact that he would not be publishing or releasing it anytime soon. I believe that he's not performing it in his lectures any longer because he doesn't want to tip it.
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MagicDan3333 New user Sun Prairie, WI 38 Posts |
School for Scoundrals has a nice DVD on fast and loose.
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mhsam New user 51 Posts |
Great query. I've always had a philosophical problem with the lack of ending (Chef Anton has one but it doesn't fit me.) I once asked Gazzo about this, and he told me that it is not suppose to have an ending; rather it's merely supposed to be an attention getter to attack a crowd for your real act. What do you all think?
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts |
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On Jul 26, 2015, mhsam wrote: I'm sure Gazzo can get that to work for him, but for most magician's it's nice have a clear ending. To me, it's a gambling demonstration like 3 Card Monte. Again, for me, a well placed patter line will signify the end of the routine. For instance, during my opening comments I might say, " There's only one rule: Never bet on Fast and Loose." At the end, after I've explained why they're losing and where to place their finger in order to win, and they still lose, the closing line might be, "Remember the rule? Never bet on Fast and Loose." or, after I convince them that they've placed their finger in a winning loop, I say: " Now you can't lose!" and as I pull the chain free I finish the sentence with ..." unless you play with me!" Just some ideas. |
Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts |
Paul Vigil has a nice routine with a great ending.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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NicholasD Inner circle 1458 Posts |
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On Jul 27, 2015, Steven Conner wrote: I was disappointed with the Fast and Loose routine in the Vigil book. He indicated that he wasn't giving us the presentation he actually uses because it wasn't his to disclose. For what he charged for that book, he should have obtained permission. |
paulvigil V.I.P. 268 Posts |
For the record, my presentation is there, but let me quote, "... I have left out SOME of my favorite lines..." (emphasis mine).
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paulvigil V.I.P. 268 Posts |
It got me to thinking and it's really only two lines; one given to me by Michael Weber and the other from Doc Eason.
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jcrabtree2007 Special user 627 Posts |
I second the school for scoundrels fast and loose. Chef Anton has a great routine and pattern that is great for parlour work.
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agilulfe New user 17 Posts |
School and scoundrell fast and loose is neither too hort nor too long and has nice ending
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