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Anandhu
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* How do you practice angles? With the help of friends? I really fear to expriment things; To do a routine for a friend to check if it will work... Because I fear if I mess up I will be giving away the secrets created by those brilliant guys...

*Have you ever been called out and humiliated during a public performance? Can you share your experience?

*What is your Openion on YouTubing sleight of hand? I believe sleight of hand should not be performed for camera.. That violates the rule "Never repeat a trick" right?? I thought about this because I saw a post about a coin magic YouTube channel in this section.. Am I thinking in the wrong way?
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If you make a mistake during a performance that doesn't mean the secret will be given away. The only way to get performance experience is to do it with live people. You can always use a mirror for angle practice. The more you perform, the better you get.

I have no problem with performances on youtube, but I do have a big problem with people doing tutorials of other people's work.

Most of the time if someone calls you out during a show, they are not correct in what they are saying. One time I was in the middle of a cups and balls and a guy kept telling his girlfriend, "The ball is going to be there now..." That kind of thing. But he didn't see the big loads coming. There's a word for people like that, but forum rules prohibit me from using such language. And that same word goes for people who do youtube tutorials of other people's work.

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You have a lot of questions, V…

You could continue to just throw questions out there as to where you are at in magic, or you can begin to better understand the next part of the journey clearly before you. Think about what you are asking here and better attempt to come to some logical conclusion as to it. You have to do some homework of your own as to these things, if not, then you may come across more like a kid asking around for answers while taking a big test.

Look around, read, think, there are lots of references/books/DVDs etc., out there as to the things you ask in this forum, and they are very basic ones. Most times here, we expect that you have covered at least the basics. And indeed are trying to evolve a better understanding from there.

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Hi Anandhukrishnan, I think the Coin Magic Youtube channel you're referring to is mine http://coinspiracy.org and I don't think there's anything wrong with it, as it does not expose secrets and does good things for the image of magic and sleight of hand. Good luck in your journey, fellow traveler.
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I have a youtube channel and I perform magic on it. I do teach some of the tricks that don't belong to anyone. I personally learned mostly off of youtube. Now every time I make a video I make sure that I do this perfectly. If you can see the sleights then I don't upload it at all. I use a mirror to test my angles. I have a friend who knows all of my secrets pretty much because I call her my test dummy. I always do my magic for her first and she gives me tips and where it can be improved and whatnot. When someone calls me out I try to make it seem like they are ruining the show so other people dislike him too. He isn't enjoying magic for the real reasons so I know not to show him magic anymore.
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What is a trick that doesn't belong to anyone?
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arthur stead
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Anandhukrishnan V, for practicing angles the best solution is a close-up magic practice mirror.

Something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hud-DcZzeig

Here's one way to make your own:

http://blog.magicshop.co.uk/2013/07/how-......ror.html
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You have to go through a process of being busted and humiliated in order to develop, that is the cold hard truth. In terms of exposing secrets accidentally, the truth is this: someone may catch you using a move during a routine, but I guarantee you that 3 months from now he won't remember, and if you practice the routine, you can fool him with the exact same sequence of moves.
An exposed move does not stick in the mind of a spec for as long, and as deeply as we would like to think. Knowing this will alleviate a lot of fear about inadvertent exposure.
In fact, if you are a magician with a closely guarded secret, you should be more afraid of exposing it to another magician than to a random layperson.
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Slip-ups occur now and then, but the idea is to reduce their occurrence to as near zero as possible. If you are continually exposing a move, you need to assess whether the move is perhaps too difficult for you. You need to know your limits.

There are pluses and minuses to YouTube. It's just something we've all learned to live with.
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Humiliated?!
Sure I've got caught tons of times over the years, but I've never felt "humiliated".
When I get caught doing a move I will always just move along to the next phase of the routine, or the next trick, while telling them "yeah that one was pretty obvious, but watch this" and then I'll do a sure-fire trick, one that I know nobody can "catch me" while performing.
If getting caught makes you feel humiliated, perhaps the way you are looking at magic is as a sort of chanellnge, you against your spectators.
This happens a lot when performing for teenagers, because most of them (or at least they SEEM like the majority) think they know everything, and it's very easy to get caught in that trap and have your performance turned into a challenge.
Even if you won't get caught, people like that aren't going to applaud you for out-witting them, but demand you "do it again".
To sum it all up, you gotta feel your audience before trying anything risky, and if you're feeling humiliated, then try looking for the deeper reason, and not just say that it was because you flashed your edge grip or whatever, "a wise man doesn't get into a situation that a clever man can get out of".
Hope that helped.
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Try to realize that a botched "move" or
just a flash only exists in the spectators mind in the form OF THAT BOTCHED SLEIGHT; it isn't necessarily an exposition of the concept or purpose of the "move" [palm, sleight, gaff, holdout...]
a dropped coin, the peeking of a coin in finger palm, the exposure of that hidden coin, etc. does not create a fully formed concept in the viewer's mind for the role/reason behind such a maneuver and how it applies to the mechanics of the effect as a whole.
with a bare minimum of practice & routine construction you can move past relatively insignificant mistakes; learn to laugh at yourself and continue on with an entertaining performance, large or small...
...eventually, through honest and deliberate improvement to your tehnique and mindset you can even start to use those small often inevitable mistakes to drive a performance and add another layer of complexity to your effects through expectation in the audiences mind [expectation of course being fundamental to the link between sleight of hand and the perception of magic]
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On Apr 30, 2015, fringeMagic wrote: Try to realize that a botched "move" or
just a flash only exists in the spectators mind in the form OF THAT BOTCHED SLEIGHT; it isn't necessarily an exposition of the concept or purpose of the "move" [palm, sleight, gaff, holdout...]
a dropped coin, the peeking of a coin in finger palm, the exposure of that hidden coin, etc. does not create a fully formed concept in the viewer's mind for the role/reason behind such a maneuver and how it applies to the mechanics of the effect as a whole.


This was an important point. Infact, I have thought about this before... Thanks for sharing this thought...
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I've always used a mirror to check my angles in the past.
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