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When they broke his spine was not after, but before they put him into the van.
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... I believe that is why we have a legal system. to find out the truth and not to ruch to judgment and be politically pushed into decisions.


Too bad that standard didn't seem to matter in Ferguson. But it is, I believe, being observed in the present case.

The police clearly killed t his man without any justification whatsoever.
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When they broke his spine was not after, but before they put him into the van.


That was from the three law enforcers that were white when they illegally arrested him. Lt Rice, Ofr Miller and Ofr Nero. Those are the same law enforcers who locked Mr Gray in the police wagon not following the Baltimore Police Department procedure of locking up a suspect. Lt Rice directed Ofr Goodson to transport Mr Gray to the booking facility, not to any hospital.
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What is that procesure an how did they differ from it Mike?
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What about the half of the officers charged in the Baltimore killing who are black?

Charge all 6 law enforcer that was involved no matter the color of their skin. Remember we are looking for justice.

What do we want?...JUSTICE!
When do we want it?...NOW!
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No, I was just clarifying. I don't think the officers have anything to worry about on the false imprisonment charge. As to Gray's death...IMO, with what we know so far, it looks awfully bad for them.


I think that many are missing the point behind some of the charges. As I said earlier, I believe the officers in this case are likely to plead out. That's just the reality of the criminal justice system. When a prosecutor files charges, that is just the first step in the plea bargaining process, hence the charges that don't immediately seem to fit the offense.

But false imprisonment certainly does apply for the time Gray was held in the van without being taken for medical care. Keep in mind that this took place AFTER it was determined that there was no cause to arrest him in the first place.
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What about the half of the officers charged in the Baltimore killing who are black?

Charge all 6 law enforcer that was involved no matter the color of their skin. Remember we are looking for justice.

What do we want?...JUSTICE!
When do we want it?...NOW!


Dynamike,

What would you consider justice in this instance from what we know at this point in time? As you are constantly saying, "NOW". What do you want NOW? Right NOW. Tell us what would please you in the way of justice right NOW.
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Now means no investigation just scream racist and prosecute.
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No, I was just clarifying. I don't think the officers have anything to worry about on the false imprisonment charge. As to Gray's death...IMO, with what we know so far, it looks awfully bad for them.


I think that many are missing the point behind some of the charges.

I think some are also confused about what the charges are.

For instance I was confused why Alicia White was charged, as she was not involved in the apprehension of Gray at all and was responsible for investigating two citizen complaints about Gray's arrest.

But it turns out when the van stopped and she had the opportunity to see and speak with Gray, she failed to do anything (like call a medic) when he was unresponsive.
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No, I was just clarifying. I don't think the officers have anything to worry about on the false imprisonment charge. As to Gray's death...IMO, with what we know so far, it looks awfully bad for them.


I think that many are missing the point behind some of the charges. As I said earlier, I believe the officers in this case are likely to plead out. That's just the reality of the criminal justice system. When a prosecutor files charges, that is just the first step in the plea bargaining process, hence the charges that don't immediately seem to fit the offense.

But false imprisonment certainly does apply for the time Gray was held in the van without being taken for medical care. Keep in mind that this took place AFTER it was determined that there was no cause to arrest him in the first place.


Whether there was any cause at all to arrest him may depend on the fleeing/hindering issue and the law that Kaballah cited.
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Freddie Gray, he was never under arrest in reality. They just jumped him, broke his spine, threw him in the back of the van to die and then came up with some hogwash.
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One more time...

Police Privilege

In all states, police officers have the right to detain someone they have probable cause to believe has engaged in wrongdoing, or when they believe a crime has been committed.

In Maryland it is a crime to obstruct or hinder a police officer from conducting an investigation. Obstructing and hindering is a common law crime and a misdemeanor in Maryland. It carries a maximum of three (3) years incarceration and/or a $3,000 fine.

Elements of Obstructing/Hindering (A crime) -

1. The officer is engaged in the performance of duty. (No room for debate here)
2. There is an act or omission of an act which obstructs or hinders the officer in the performance of duty. (Running)
3. The accused has knowledge that the officer is engaged in the performance of duty. (Suspect saw police uniforms)
4. There is intent to obstruct or hinder the officer by the actions of the defendant. (Again, running)

Running from the police in Maryland is a crime if the four elements noted above are present.

Once again, no false imprisonment.
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Police Privilege

In all states, police officers have the right to detain someone they have probable cause to believe has engaged in wrongdoing, or when they believe a crime has been committed and break their spine and throw them into to van to die or strangle or shoot them in the back.

In Maryland it is a crime to obstruct or hinder a police officer from conducting an investigation. Obstructing and hindering is a common law crime and a misdemeanor in Maryland. It carries a maximum of three (3) years incarceration and/or a $3,000 fine or a broken spine and death.

Elements of Obstructing/Hindering (A crime) -

1. The officer is engaged in the performance of duty. (No room for debate here) Or they break you spine and throw you van.
2. There is an act or omission of an act which obstructs or hinders the officer in the performance of duty. (Running) away from getting your neck broke and being thrown into the van.
3. The accused has knowledge that the officer is engaged in the performance of duty. (Suspect saw police uniforms) and no wonder he ran.
4. There is intent to obstruct or hinder the officer by the actions of the defendant. (Again, running) and no again wonder.

Running from the police in Maryland is a crime if the four elements noted above are present. Punishable by a broken neck.
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Freddie Gray, he was never under arrest in reality. They just jumped him, broke his spine, threw him in the back of the van to die and then came up with some hogwash.


There you have it. From someone who was there and knows all the facts. Cut and dried. Because if someone was not there and did not know all the facts they would not be so stupid as to make such a statement.

Thanks for clearing it up Tommy. Smile Let's move on now.
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You should've gone to Specsavers if the video wasn't clear.
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What about the half of the officers charged in the Baltimore killing who are black?

Charge all 6 law enforcer that was involved no matter the color of their skin. Remember we are looking for justice.

What do we want?...JUSTICE!
When do we want it?...NOW!





Dynamike,

What would you consider justice in this instance from what we know at this point in time? As you are constantly saying, "NOW". What do you want NOW? Right NOW. Tell us what would please you in the way of justice right NOW.


He doesn't know. He might as well be on street making a fool of himself along with all of the other rioters and protesters who don't know.
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And you should've listened to your mom. She warned you that you would go blind doing that.
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I would like to state my opinion on this particular issue and the whole outlook of racial prejudice, not that anyone cares, but here it is.

Any wrong doing on the officers or anyone else that may have contributed to the death of Mr. Gray either through negligence or purposely should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If police are found in any wrong doing they should be stripped of their positions, pensions and if found guilty of charges that require prison time they should in this instance receive the max and not be offered any plea deals.

With the climate right now in The United States we have to...as we very loosely say, draw the line in the sand and mean it. If said officers are found not guilty, They should be exonerated and allowed to stay on as police officers. Unfortunately that scenario would not bode well with the Black Community which feels and to an extent rightly so has been dumped on for quite some time. However many of their (black community) actions are not helping relieve this issue and adds to the problem. Two wrongs do not make a right. There is obviously prejudice on both sides of this issue and it is not going to go away easily or it may never go away. When such issues fester on both sides those who instigate from both sides make it just about impossible to find a solution.

While this may sound harsh. I believe it is reality. Those who are extreme on both sides, and they are the ones who make the news, I feel do not want a solution. They want, what that slogan says. "We want justice now". Unfortunately the justice both sides want is not justice nor even understanding. It is nothing more than attitude. That attitude is, they are right and the other side is wrong, and until it is all their way it is not justice. Sorry to say. I really don't see things getting any better.
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Looks like you have had a bit too much to think.
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