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Yep, Danny! Agendas ARE being furthered! One might be shocked at where it is really coming from! We live in interesting times. All is NOT as it seems. There are those who have agendas we cannot imagine...

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Arrest warrants issued for six officers in the Freddie Gray case.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Certainly, those with an agenda have no qualms about speculation in furtherance of that agenda.

But failure to release facts surely invites speculation, speculation that will undoubtedly be predominantly to the effect that the controllers of the information have good intentions.

And this also contributes to the volatility of the situation. The police are being criticized for their handling of the Gray arrest/death, the same police force is investigating the situation, the same police force is controlling the release of any information, the same police force is attempting to quell the violence of the demonstrations. Doesn't this look like the cards are stacked in favor of the police?

The state police have been asked to step in. And even the federal government is getting involved (which, I think, would only be the case if somerwhere in the federal government someone decided there was a likelihood that civil rights were being violated).

So failure to put out information increases the volatility.

Also consider that the cliche, "Justice delayed is justice denied." There is a reason that this is a cliche - it is really a truism. No "official" information and delays in any perceivable action further exacerbates the situation.

Placed in the context of real and perceived acts of police brutality and institutional racism, is there any wonder that Baltimore has erupted in violence?
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The cause of "Justice" is generally furthered by investigations, which take time. But if what one is looking for is a predetermined outcome regardlesss of the facts, that shouldn't take hardly any time at all.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Certainly, those with an agenda have no qualms about speculation in furtherance of that agenda.


Thing is, it ain't just about Baltimore! Or Ferguson! Ask yourself, who profits from this kinda thing? And how? Protests have spread around the world. Does it stop? Will it? How? Then what? Who is "the hero" then? Those questions will be answered...

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Dougini,

I don't know how to take your questions.

Are you questioning the motivation behind the protests?

Do you think that it is impossible that the protests are political speech - objections to perceived racism or classism permeating a governmental institution resulting in at best unfair and at worst fatal treatment at the hands of an institution purported to protect the citizenry?
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Arrest warrants issued for six officers in the Freddie Gray case.

"City State's Attorney Says Freddie Gray’s Arrest Illegal, Charges Officers"

"City State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby says Freddie Gray received his critical injuries in Baltimore police custody and has charged all six officers involved in his death."

"The officers are being charged with a number of counts of manslaughter, assault and misconduct. One officer will even be charged with a count of murder."

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/05/01......charges/

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https://cbsbaltimore.files.wordpress.com......by-3.pdf
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Dougini,

Do you think that it is impossible that the protests are political speech - objections to perceived racism or classism permeating a governmental institution resulting in at best unfair and at worst fatal treatment at the hands of an institution purported to protect the citizenry?


My question is why this is happening in the first place. Someone is perpetuating this "perceived racism". The anger at the way blacks are treated by certain police has been simmering for a long time. Has anything changed? Perception, maybe? And just who is it that is perpetuating this "perceived racism and classism"? Shouldn't we be WAY past that by now?

It ain't just Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson! No. We have an enemy within our OWN government! A dark elite with an agenda that will affect the world! This is just one strand of the spider web. No good will come of this...

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That is good. What ought to happen in these sort of cases really, is what might happen to any individual. The police on seeing the film should have arrested the police involved right away on suspicion of murder or whatever. They should have all been locked up and separated first so that they could not collude and concoct a story. Then they should have been questioned vigorously. Then the police or the prosecution should have looked at the so called “evidence” and decided whether there was enough evidence to charge any of them with an offence. That could all be done in a matter of hours. Instead they left it for over a week before doing what they should have done. Anyway I think they have now done the right thing.
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Dougini,

Do you think that it is impossible that the protests are political speech - objections to perceived racism or classism permeating a governmental institution resulting in at best unfair and at worst fatal treatment at the hands of an institution purported to protect the citizenry?


My question is why this is happening in the first place. Someone is perpetuating this "perceived racism". The anger at the way blacks are treated by certain police has been simmering for a long time. Has anything changed? Perception, maybe? And just who is it that is perpetuating this "perceived racism and classism"? Shouldn't we be WAY past that by now?

It ain't just Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson! No. We have an enemy within our OWN government! A dark elite with an agenda that will affect the world! This is just one strand of the spider web. No good will come of this...

Doug

I think, like with many things, we reached a tipping point and the cards fell over. Nothing nefarious about it.
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The police on seeing the film should have arrested the police involved right away on suspicion of murder or whatever.


What did you see on the video that would lead to this insane statement?
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I see the police probably breaking the young mans spine, then picking him up and throwing him into van which attributed to his death more than likely and that is what leads me to this insane statement that the police upon seeing this film should have arrested the police involved right away on suspicion of murder or whatever. What do you see in the film and why do think they have been charged?
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When it was originally reported that his spine was broken, that was misleading because that statement usually refers to the back. Seems like now they're saying it was his neck. Also, yesterday's reports of the autopsy concluded that it happened after he was placed in the van. Makes one wonder who got to who since yesterday.

Having said all that, it would appear that at the very least, the police should have made sure he was secured in the van before getting under way.

I'm sure more will unfold.
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On May 1, 2015, Dougini wrote:

My question is why this is happening in the first place. Someone is perpetuating this "perceived racism". The anger at the way blacks are treated by certain police has been simmering for a long time. Has anything changed? Perception, maybe? And just who is it that is perpetuating this "perceived racism and classism"?


It could be the police themselves - both individually and institutionally. It could be that the perception is the reality.
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Charges, including second degree murder, have now been filed against the police officers involved in Gray's death. The prosecutor also found that Freddie Gray had committed NO CRIME and that the knife found on his person was not a switchblade and was perfectly legal.

Looks like the attempted police cover-up is starting to unravel.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/01......946.html
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Of course, the officers are legally presumed innocent until proven guilty, and who knows what a talented and zealous defense attorney may be able to find?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Well, at least they are being indicted for an actual crime.

It seems that Gray died without ever having had any crime alleged (except, of course, for his own homicide).

And the police officers will likely get their day in court - aren't constitutinal rights grand?
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From what I've seen of Gray's arrest record, if they picked him up on a day when he hadn't been engaged in criminal activity, they're the unluckiest cops ever.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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From what I've seen of Gray's arrest record, if they picked him up on a day when he hadn't been engaged in criminal activity, they're the unluckiest cops ever.


“You look at Freddie Gray’s rap sheet, and it’s long. Freddie Gray has been arrested, I mean, literally dozens of times, and there’s an interesting way to look at that. Look at how many times the police did not kill Freddie Gray. I mean, this rap sheet––it’s amazing for somebody 24 years of age. A number of times the cops could have really damaged him, but they didn’t for some reason. So why now?”--Rush Limbaugh
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
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The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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