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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 07:57 pm
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Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
So he deserved what he got? Is that what you're saying?
No. Saying that the picture the left wing media tried to paint of him was absolutely false.
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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 08:29 pm
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Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, acesover wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, rowdymagi5 wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
So he deserved what he got? Is that what you're saying?
According to the jury....yup.
What jury did Trayvon Martin face? For what crime?
When you play with fire long enough, expect to get burned. Not so much what jury, but rather the law of averages.
How many crimes was he convicted of?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 08:57 pm
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Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, acesover wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, rowdymagi5 wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
So he deserved what he got? Is that what you're saying?
According to the jury....yup.
What jury did Trayvon Martin face? For what crime?
When you play with fire long enough, expect to get burned. Not so much what jury, but rather the law of averages.
How many crimes was he convicted of?
Where there is smoke there is fire...read on:
As the Miami Herald noted in its article the month after the incident, “Weed, fights and guns,” a broader, deeper and uglier picture of Zimmerman’s attacker emerged:
As thousands of people gathered here to demand an arrest in the Trayvon Martin case, a more complicated portrait began to emerge of a teenager whose problems at school ranged from getting spotted defacing lockers to getting caught with a marijuana baggie and women’s jewelry.
In October, 2011, Martin was caught on a school surveillance video defacing lockers with obscenities using a magic marker pen. The police investigator said Martin was “hiding and being suspicious.” When the officer confronted Martin the next day he found Martin’s backpack contained some women’s jewelry — a watch, some silver wedding bands and diamond-encrusted earrings. Martin told the officer, “They’re not mine. A friend gave it to me.” Continuing his search, the officer found a large flat-headed screwdriver which the officer described as a burglar’s tool. The jewelry was turned over to the police and Martin was suspended for defacing school property.
Four months later Martin was caught with a baggie containing “traces” of marijuana along with a marijuana pipe.
It was at this time that his mother, Sybrina Fulton (who had divorced her husband Tracy Martin back in 1999 when Trayvon was four but who conveniently showed up with her ex to attend Zimmerman’s trial) kicked him out of the house and told him to go live with his father in Sanford. It was there that the run-in with Zimmerman occurred on February 26.
Martin’s text messages revealed a teenager just looking for trouble. In a highly redacted 10-page listing of his phone texts, Martin revealed a life of a marijuana smoker (one of his friends called him a “weed head”), and schoolyard bully who had been involved in at least three fistfights and threatened more in order to “get even,” and had shown an interest in obtaining a gun from another friend: “U wanna share a .380?” asked Martin at one point.
Photos released as part of the discovery process but not allowed in the courtroom as “not relevant” revealed an arrogant teen showing off his gold teeth and his disrespect for normal decorum with obscene gestures and threatening countenances.
Such was the background of the young man portrayed by the media as an innocent “hoodie” gunned down by Zimmerman. But there was one piece of evidence that surfaced during the trial: Zimmerman’s defense attorney Don West provided an expert who told the jury that there was enough marijuana in Martin’s system the night of the incident sufficient to create “some level of impairment.”
In all, the effort by President Obama to portray Martin as the innocent victim of a racist attack — so innocent that Obama said he “could have been my son” — fails when all the evidence is considered. Martin was looking for trouble — possibly an opportunity to burgle a residence in his father’s complex — and he found it in the person of Zimmerman, whose interest was in keeping people and property safe in the gated community of The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, Florida, on the night of February 26, 2012.
Oh my. A red Flag...he wanted a .380. He should have been jailed according to some here. That is unless you are...well do I have to say it?.
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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 09:02 pm
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Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, acesover wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, acesover wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, rowdymagi5 wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
So he deserved what he got? Is that what you're saying?
According to the jury....yup.
What jury did Trayvon Martin face? For what crime?
When you play with fire long enough, expect to get burned. Not so much what jury, but rather the law of averages.
How many crimes was he convicted of?
Where there is smoke there is fire...read on:
As the Miami Herald noted in its article the month after the incident, “Weed, fights and guns,” a broader, deeper and uglier picture of Zimmerman’s attacker emerged:
As thousands of people gathered here to demand an arrest in the Trayvon Martin case, a more complicated portrait began to emerge of a teenager whose problems at school ranged from getting spotted defacing lockers to getting caught with a marijuana baggie and women’s jewelry.
In October, 2011, Martin was caught on a school surveillance video defacing lockers with obscenities using a magic marker pen. The police investigator said Martin was “hiding and being suspicious.” When the officer confronted Martin the next day he found Martin’s backpack contained some women’s jewelry — a watch, some silver wedding bands and diamond-encrusted earrings. Martin told the officer, “They’re not mine. A friend gave it to me.” Continuing his search, the officer found a large flat-headed screwdriver which the officer described as a burglar’s tool. The jewelry was turned over to the police and Martin was suspended for defacing school property.
Four months later Martin was caught with a baggie containing “traces” of marijuana along with a marijuana pipe.
It was at this time that his mother, Sybrina Fulton (who had divorced her husband Tracy Martin back in 1999 when Trayvon was four but who conveniently showed up with her ex to attend Zimmerman’s trial) kicked him out of the house and told him to go live with his father in Sanford. It was there that the run-in with Zimmerman occurred on February 26.
Martin’s text messages revealed a teenager just looking for trouble. In a highly redacted 10-page listing of his phone texts, Martin revealed a life of a marijuana smoker (one of his friends called him a “weed head”), and schoolyard bully who had been involved in at least three fistfights and threatened more in order to “get even,” and had shown an interest in obtaining a gun from another friend: “U wanna share a .380?” asked Martin at one point.
Photos released as part of the discovery process but not allowed in the courtroom as “not relevant” revealed an arrogant teen showing off his gold teeth and his disrespect for normal decorum with obscene gestures and threatening countenances.
Such was the background of the young man portrayed by the media as an innocent “hoodie” gunned down by Zimmerman. But there was one piece of evidence that surfaced during the trial: Zimmerman’s defense attorney Don West provided an expert who told the jury that there was enough marijuana in Martin’s system the night of the incident sufficient to create “some level of impairment.”
In all, the effort by President Obama to portray Martin as the innocent victim of a racist attack — so innocent that Obama said he “could have been my son” — fails when all the evidence is considered. Martin was looking for trouble — possibly an opportunity to burgle a residence in his father’s complex — and he found it in the person of Zimmerman, whose interest was in keeping people and property safe in the gated community of The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, Florida, on the night of February 26, 2012.
Oh my. A red Flag...he wanted a .380. He should have been jailed according to some here. That is unless you are...well do I have to say it?.
So in plain English, the answer is "none". Is that correct?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 09:09 pm
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Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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So in plain English, the answer is "none". Is that correct?
Did I miss something? Did anyone say he had been convicted of any crimes?
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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 09:21 pm
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Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, acesover wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, acesover wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, rowdymagi5 wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
So he deserved what he got? Is that what you're saying?
According to the jury....yup.
What jury did Trayvon Martin face? For what crime?
When you play with fire long enough, expect to get burned. Not so much what jury, but rather the law of averages.
How many crimes was he convicted of?
Where there is smoke there is fire...read on:
As the Miami Herald noted in its article the month after the incident, “Weed, fights and guns,” a broader, deeper and uglier picture of Zimmerman’s attacker emerged:
As thousands of people gathered here to demand an arrest in the Trayvon Martin case, a more complicated portrait began to emerge of a teenager whose problems at school ranged from getting spotted defacing lockers to getting caught with a marijuana baggie and women’s jewelry.
In October, 2011, Martin was caught on a school surveillance video defacing lockers with obscenities using a magic marker pen. The police investigator said Martin was “hiding and being suspicious.” When the officer confronted Martin the next day he found Martin’s backpack contained some women’s jewelry — a watch, some silver wedding bands and diamond-encrusted earrings. Martin told the officer, “They’re not mine. A friend gave it to me.” Continuing his search, the officer found a large flat-headed screwdriver which the officer described as a burglar’s tool. The jewelry was turned over to the police and Martin was suspended for defacing school property.
Four months later Martin was caught with a baggie containing “traces” of marijuana along with a marijuana pipe.
It was at this time that his mother, Sybrina Fulton (who had divorced her husband Tracy Martin back in 1999 when Trayvon was four but who conveniently showed up with her ex to attend Zimmerman’s trial) kicked him out of the house and told him to go live with his father in Sanford. It was there that the run-in with Zimmerman occurred on February 26.
Martin’s text messages revealed a teenager just looking for trouble. In a highly redacted 10-page listing of his phone texts, Martin revealed a life of a marijuana smoker (one of his friends called him a “weed head”), and schoolyard bully who had been involved in at least three fistfights and threatened more in order to “get even,” and had shown an interest in obtaining a gun from another friend: “U wanna share a .380?” asked Martin at one point.
Photos released as part of the discovery process but not allowed in the courtroom as “not relevant” revealed an arrogant teen showing off his gold teeth and his disrespect for normal decorum with obscene gestures and threatening countenances.
Such was the background of the young man portrayed by the media as an innocent “hoodie” gunned down by Zimmerman. But there was one piece of evidence that surfaced during the trial: Zimmerman’s defense attorney Don West provided an expert who told the jury that there was enough marijuana in Martin’s system the night of the incident sufficient to create “some level of impairment.”
In all, the effort by President Obama to portray Martin as the innocent victim of a racist attack — so innocent that Obama said he “could have been my son” — fails when all the evidence is considered. Martin was looking for trouble — possibly an opportunity to burgle a residence in his father’s complex — and he found it in the person of Zimmerman, whose interest was in keeping people and property safe in the gated community of The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, Florida, on the night of February 26, 2012.
Oh my. A red Flag...he wanted a .380. He should have been jailed according to some here. That is unless you are...well do I have to say it?.
So in plain English, the answer is "none". Is that correct?
I never said he was convicted of anything. You brought it up. I only showed you his references. Is that correct? Let me answer. Yes, it is correct.
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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 09:40 pm
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Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, acesover wrote:
I never said he was convicted of anything. You brought it up. I only showed you his references. Is that correct? Let me answer. Yes, it is correct.
Actually I responded to rowdymagi5
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, rowdymagi5 wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
So he deserved what he got? Is that what you're saying?
According to the jury....yup.
And you I asked what jury he faced, acesover responded with
Quote: When you play with fire long enough, expect to get burned. Not so much what jury, but rather the law of averages.
So yeah, it was reasonable to assume you were agreeing with the proposition that he'd appeared before a jury and so on and so on...
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 10:04 pm
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Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, acesover wrote:
I never said he was convicted of anything. You brought it up. I only showed you his references. Is that correct? Let me answer. Yes, it is correct.
Actually I responded to rowdymagi5
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, rowdymagi5 wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
So he deserved what he got? Is that what you're saying?
According to the jury....yup.
And you I asked what jury he faced, acesover responded with
Quote: When you play with fire long enough, expect to get burned. Not so much what jury, but rather the law of averages.
So yeah, it was reasonable to assume you were agreeing with the proposition that he'd appeared before a jury and so on and so on...
This is why you have to stop assuming. Lot of people get shot with a gun that they assumed was unloaded. Do not assume, as you are looking for trouble, especially with guns and what people are thinking.
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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 10:17 pm
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Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, acesover wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, acesover wrote:
I never said he was convicted of anything. You brought it up. I only showed you his references. Is that correct? Let me answer. Yes, it is correct.
Actually I responded to rowdymagi5
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, rowdymagi5 wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
So he deserved what he got? Is that what you're saying?
According to the jury....yup.
And you I asked what jury he faced, acesover responded with
Quote: When you play with fire long enough, expect to get burned. Not so much what jury, but rather the law of averages.
So yeah, it was reasonable to assume you were agreeing with the proposition that he'd appeared before a jury and so on and so on...
This is why you have to stop assuming. Lot of people get shot with a gun that they assumed was unloaded. Do not assume, as you are looking for trouble, especially with guns and what people are thinking.
So when you quote my question and write something after it, I should not assume that you are answering the question? My mistake was in assuming you have achieved basic literacy, I guess.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 10:37 pm
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Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, acesover wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, acesover wrote:
I never said he was convicted of anything. You brought it up. I only showed you his references. Is that correct? Let me answer. Yes, it is correct.
Actually I responded to rowdymagi5
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, rowdymagi5 wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
So he deserved what he got? Is that what you're saying?
According to the jury....yup.
And you I asked what jury he faced, acesover responded with
Quote: When you play with fire long enough, expect to get burned. Not so much what jury, but rather the law of averages.
So yeah, it was reasonable to assume you were agreeing with the proposition that he'd appeared before a jury and so on and so on...
This is why you have to stop assuming. Lot of people get shot with a gun that they assumed was unloaded. Do not assume, as you are looking for trouble, especially with guns and what people are thinking.
So when you quote my question and write something after it, I should not assume that you are answering the question? My mistake was in assuming you have achieved basic literacy, I guess.
First your assuming now your guessing. I hope you are never on a witness stand in your own defense.
You really are confused. You are the only one that mentioned a jury or convictions. Unless you are debating with yourself.
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Posted: Jun 25, 2015 11:06 pm
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Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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Actually I responded to rowdymagi5
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, rowdymagi5 wrote:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
So he deserved what he got? Is that what you're saying?
According to the jury....yup.
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It's pretty easy to see that Rowdy wasn't suggesting that he had appeared before a jury or was convicted of any crimes.
His implication was that the Jury did not find Mr. Zimmerman guilty because he was warranted in his reaction to getting attacked by Trayvon with the implication that Trayvon got what he deserved.
But, I think you knew that.
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Posted: Jun 26, 2015 01:46 am
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Given the wild claims throughout the thread, there was nothing to suggest that Rowdy had the facts straight. Aces sure didn't.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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Posted: Jun 26, 2015 01:57 am
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And nothing to suggest that he didn't either.
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Posted: Jun 26, 2015 03:24 am
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Quote: On Jun 25, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
Given the wild claims throughout the thread, there was nothing to suggest that Rowdy had the facts straight. Aces sure didn't.
Alright I will bite. Maybe you are baiting me. But I have to ask. What facts did I not get straight? I stated my thoughts about Martin. I listed his credentials of his checkered past. So what facts did I not get straight? Or is this something you assumed and guessed again?
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You mean to say that he was not automatically not guilty? I thought it was legal to shoot at him? Hmmmm
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