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loyaleagle Special user Montgomery Village, Maryland 567 Posts |
Hi there rope folks!
I live over in the card guy forums, but I have a unique question and I was hoping you could help me. One of my non-magical hobbies is aerial rope performance (think cirque du soleil) and I work with 26 foot lengths of twisted jute (5mm diameter). A few of my fellows know I do magic and they're always bugging me to do a rope trick. I've never given it any attention, but now I'm feeling curious. With a few internet searches, I've already got a decent "threading the needle" and "rope through neck" (the bite of jute is excellent for the latter), but nothing with a plot. Here's a kicker: everything is tied from the center bight to start with (and often a Lark's Head/Cow Hitch), so if anything could start from the center bight, that would actually be better, contextually. Thank you!
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
I'm not sure I understand what the focus of your question is. It sounds like you would like to do a trick with some of the long pieces of rope (or folded in two) that you use in your other hobby. but I'm not sure I understand "kicker" issue.
For long rope I think there are a variety of effects that can use the length to make the effect appear more dramatic. The grandmothers principle, such as putting two ropes behind someone (held by 2 other spectators), tie a knot around the spectator, then pull on the ropes and they pass through the person. I'm not sure it would work with a folded piece of rope. Wilson's complete course Related effects can be done with by threading mugs or rings onto the ends. They may fall or not as the rope passes through the person. These types of effects can be found in Wilson's complete course Remove a single large ring (non-gaffed linking ring) from a rope (tied into a loop) stretched out by two spectators. (I love this effect for close up, but I've scaled it up. (a version is in Magic for Dummies p85) There is a 100' rope escape, let people tie you up anyway they want, and you escape. There is a version of this in Hull's Rope Ties and Escapes: Mummy Tie. The ultimate trick with a long piece of rope is the fabled Indian Rope Trick. (there are versions of this in the Encyclopedia of Rope, but I don't think it would work in an impromptu setting) John
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Dear Eagle:
Like John, I don't "get" what you are looking for! I've been working with rope tricks since Ralph Hull's "Fifteen Minutes With A Piece Of Rope" in 1946! I know what a bight is! (and an underhand and, an overhand loop!) I am familiar with, and have taught Boy Scout Adult Leaders -- and Boy Scouts -- basic knots for about 50 years. I have put up circus big tops. I have done aerial rigging in a circus. -- but, I too, can't understand what you are asking for!!! IMHO, "Manila" is much better than "Jute".
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loyaleagle Special user Montgomery Village, Maryland 567 Posts |
Thanks John for the suggestions. Lots of book titles for me to keep an eye out for!
I'm not sure what the confusion is over. Start with center bight and double the rope (essentially holding your finger in the middle of the rope and other two ends hang down by one another. Treat the center bight as the working end of the rope and the two knotted ends as the other (standing) end of the rope. I actually learned lashing in this fashion in the BSA (I think they call it portuguese double-line lashing). It starts with a lark's head instead of a clove hitch. What I'm actually doing with the ropes is quite a bit more complex, but the above is for your reference. I've confirmed that rope through neck works very well with a doubled line. If anybody else has any ideas, feel free to throw them out! Oh and Jute and Hemp are the two preferred styles of rope. Some folks do use Manilla.
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
I think some of the confusion was not knowing why you were so folding the rope, and what was being done with the other ends. But, you have a few ideas.
There are many variations on rope through neck, but if you tie the ends, to make a solid loop, you can rather cleanly pass the 2 strands through you neck. This is more typically done with a loop of string, and the longer and heavier that rope, the harder it is to make convincing. John
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loyaleagle Special user Montgomery Village, Maryland 567 Posts |
Indeed, thanks everyone!
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