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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Science. You're using it now.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
I’ve seen some pretty good arguments from the young earth people about Carbon dating, so I have mixed feeling about it.
Just makes sense to me that nature seems to find a way to fix itself, and if for some reason something needed aging in a hurry maybe it did it. Come to think of it, I saw a Superman movie onetime where he speeded up the earth to change time. Tom
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On May 19, 2015, Pakar Ilusi wrote: We are using technology, not science. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Facts do not exist in reality.
How many facts are in a ton of facts anyway?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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The Hermit Veteran user 301 Posts |
Apparently at least 7000 lbs. or maybe that's 3 1/2 ton of facts
http://gizmodo.com/5988530/how-much-would-wikipedia-weigh# |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On May 19, 2015, 0pus wrote: Which only goes to point out that possibly BOTH groups were wrong! |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On May 19, 2015, The Hermit wrote: Perhaps, but the "religiously motivated" scientists of the past (and granted, there were many) used science, not religion, as their methodology for discovery. If we had always relied strictly on religion/spirituality and never developed the scientific method to gain understanding and to make discoveries and technological advancements, where would we be today? It would be a pretty bleak place. But switch that scenario and replace religion with science for most of human history and one can only imagine what we may have achieved by now. It's literally a WORLD of difference. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
One of the biggest problems among so-called science deniers is their failure, or often refusal, to recognize the difference between the normal meaning of the word "theory" and the scientific meaning:
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Scientific theories are testable and make falsifiable predictions.[6] They describe the causal elements responsible for a particular natural phenomenon, and are used to explain and predict aspects of the physical universe or specific areas of inquiry (e.g. electricity, chemistry, astronomy). Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.[4] This is significantly different from the common usage of the word "theory", which implies that something is a conjecture, hypothesis, or guess (i.e., unsubstantiated and speculative). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory Those who dismiss evolution, for example, as being "just a theory" are completely oblivious to the distinction. |
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Starrpower Inner circle 4070 Posts |
Darn straight! Wikipedia said it! It's indisputable!
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On May 19, 2015, TomBoleware wrote: No you haven't, Tom. You've seen propaganda of the most egregious kind. The margin of error in claiming a 6,000 year old Earth is equivalent to saying that the distance from New York to L.A. is 20 feet! And that's not hyperbole either - do the math comparing 4.55 billion years to 6,000 years and you'll see for yourself. Quote:
Just makes sense to me that nature seems to find a way to fix itself, and if for some reason something needed aging in a hurry maybe it did it. What could possibly need "aging in a hurry"? And why? And you do realize there is no such thing as Superman, do you? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On May 19, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: It's actually quite surprising how many people still to this day don't get the whole "scientific theory" thing. So it seems this point can't be stressed enough. If something graduates to a scientific theory, then it's incredibly substantiated, reliable, and predictive (like the Theory of Gravity). Anyway, thanks for pointing that out, Bob. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On May 19, 2015, Starrpower wrote: Check the footnotes to the article. Would you prefer if I quote the original source? Are you really that oblivious as to what a scientific theory is? BTW, the quote from Wikipedia comes from the National Academy of Science: http://nationalacademies.org/evolution/TheoryOrFact.html You might also look at the source for the following if you'd like to actually learn something about scientific theories and the scientific method: Quote:
A theory in science is not a guess, speculation, or suggestion, which is the popular definition of the word "theory." A scientific theory is a unifying and self-consistent explanation of fundamental natural processes or phenomena that is totally constructed of corroborated hypotheses. A theory, therefore, is built of reliable knowledge--built of scientific facts--and its purpose is to explain major natural processes or phenomena. Scientific theories explain nature by unifying many once-unrelated facts or corroborated hypotheses; they are the strongest and most truthful explanations of how the universe, nature, and life came to be, how they work, what they are made of, and what will become of them. Since humans are living organisms and are part of the universe, science explains all of these things about ourselves. http://www.geo.sunysb.edu/esp/files/scientific-method.html But please enlighten to us uneducated folks why the NAS or the world's scientists don't know what they're talking about, and tell us what a scientific theory is, according to you. |
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
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On May 19, 2015, R.S. wrote: Now how in the world do you know what I’ve heard and what I haven’t heard? Besides, I’m not saying I agree with it all, just that some of it makes sense to me. I have no idea how old the earth is. I don’t think it’s as old as some think oh. You are right about Superman, he is not real…....but I do know this other guy with some pretty good powers. Tom
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Global warming is a conspiracy theory.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On May 19, 2015, R.S. wrote: Going back to wikipedia, so if scientific theories are essentially 'facts' as they are 'incredibly substantiated, reliable, and predictive', how is it that this article lists several dozen theories that have been either proven false or superseded? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superseded_scientific_theories |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Isn't the answer obvious? As scientific knowledge of the universe grows, theories are adjusted, rethought or discarded accordingly. If that were not the case, science would no longer be science.
Note how old most of the "superceded" theories listed in the article are. Science has progressed quite a bit since the ancient theories of phlogiston, heliocentrism, geocentrism, flat earth, etc. As already stated, currently accepted scientific theories are indeed 'incredibly substantiated, reliable, and predictive.' But that doesn't mean that our quest for knowledge is complete. To be scientific, a theory MUST be falsifiable, otherwise it is just blind dogma. But the burden of proof is on the party proposing that the theory be changed. And that's how science progresses. It doesn't appear that you actually read the article you cited, for it answers your question quite completely. |
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Starrpower Inner circle 4070 Posts |
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On May 19, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: I don't know why you're getting your undies in a bundle. Wasn't I agreeing with you? |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Actually, you took a snide potshot at the fact that I quoted Wikipedia:
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Darn straight! Wikipedia said it! It's indisputable! Do you think everyone here is so dense that they will read that as an agreement? Nice try at backpedaling, though. So, do you have anything useful to contribute to the discussion? |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On May 19, 2015, TomBoleware wrote: Tom, Tom, Tom. You just told us that you've "seen some pretty good arguments from the young earth people". And that it makes sense to you. But what makes what they say more credible than what actual scientists have to say? The Young Earthers will say the earth is 6,000 years old no matter what the actual evidence says, because THEY HAVE AN AGENDA! Don't you get it? They don't care about facts! The evidence for the age of the earth is overwhelming. It's not a great mystery anymore. The fields of anthropology, biology, paleontology, geology, and astronomy all triangulate to a 4.55 billion year old earth (plus or minus 1%). http://www.talkorigins.org/ And a Nobel prize and world fame is waiting for anyone to show that those calculations are wildly wrong and that the earth is 6,000 years old. Anyway, now you know how old the earth is. If I, or someone, asks you in 2 months how old the earth is you have no excuse not to tell them it's actual age. Unless of course, YOU too have an agenda. Quote:
You are right about Superman, he is not real…....but I do know this other guy with some pretty good powers. Spiderman? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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