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Sorry, couldn't resist the temtation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GQ5oZXPCNM
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Temptation even.
By failing to prepare, we are preparing to fail.
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I'm not dead yet.

From KK's Facebook:

Just FYI. Due to tech reasons theJust FYI. Due to tech reasons the www.WonderWizards.com website still has everything on it for a few more days. So, while you can... spread the word. website still has everything on it for a few more days. So, while you can... spread the word.
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This sounds like it's going to become one of those carpet places that is perpetually going out of business, if you have any of those where you live.
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It is.

Kenton has been doing this for a while now.

A poor business practice if you asked me
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I think it's gone now Smile

Sad day....
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I have always found Kenton's work to be very inspiring. Perhaps the scarcity of it will make it more appreciated.
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Dear Brethren,

No idea why no one is able to express things as they are:

Wonder Words is a classic!!!!!!

Please, stop !@#$%^& about the business and performance stuff, KK is a genius and should be accepted as such


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Someone could be a genius and still have bad business practices. It's flawed thinking that because you like or respect someone you must agree with everything they do.
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Kenton has created some very inspirational material over the years and he honestly mentored some of the brightest creators and performers of our generation (Jermay, Turner, Parker, etc.). I believe he was instrumental in creating an awareness in mentalism of the power inherent in our words and dialogue and how conscious structuring of our words can greatly aid in turning a trick into a miracle. I would suggest checking out Wonder Words and Kentonism, at least, to anyone who is not familiar with his work. I have personally found great value in numerous works by Kenton and often find hidden gems scattered through his books. Not all of his material will be suited for everyone but I very seldom find a creator who can create original material that will always be useable for everyone. We all have unique abilities as well as limits. Whether or not this is a marketing tactic has no bearing on the value of Kenton's offerings to the community, however it would be nice to have a little more honesty in advertising when it comes to mentalism and magic. Most of the time the only real "magician fooler's" are the ad copy and blurb writers.
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Kenton has created some very inspirational material over the years and he honestly mentored some of the brightest creators and performers of our generation (Jermay, Turner, Parker, etc.). I believe he was instrumental in creating an awareness in mentalism of the power inherent in our words and dialogue and how conscious structuring of our words can greatly aid in turning a trick into a miracle. I would suggest checking out Wonder Words and Kentonism, at least, to anyone who is not familiar with his work. I have personally found great value in numerous works by Kenton and often find hidden gems scattered through his books. Not all of his material will be suited for everyone but I very seldom find a creator who can create original material that will always be useable for everyone. We all have unique abilities as well as limits. Whether or not this is a marketing tactic has no bearing on the value of Kenton's offerings to the community, however it would be nice to have a little more honesty in advertising when it comes to mentalism and magic. Most of the time the only real "magician fooler's" are the ad copy and blurb writers.


Your defending his material.

That is not what this thread is about.

This thread is talking about his shady and devious business tactics
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This thread began as an announcement that Kenton was retiring a website. It has turned into commentaries about Kenton, the more negative of which seem to come mostly from people who have either never actually seen him perform or have never actually met him.

I find it interesting that those who know him, like Amira and myself, do not share this opinion. Only a few posts talk about his business practices. And again, the thread began simply as an announcement, nothing more.
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The strange thing is, most of everything Kenton has published is still available on the new website.
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Bob Cassidy has recommended Wonder Words. You guys seem to agree that is a good place to start. Thank you!

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On Jun 28, 2015, jstreiff wrote:
This thread began as an announcement that Kenton was retiring a website. It has turned into commentaries about Kenton, the more negative of which seem to come mostly from people who have either never actually seen him perform or have never actually met him.

I find it interesting that those who know him, like Amira and myself, do not share this opinion. Only a few posts talk about his business practices. And again, the thread began simply as an announcement, nothing more.


From what I've read, the discussion here has mostly been about the difference between the claim in the announcement vs. reality...

"Second, I want you to know that the wonderwizards.com website will continue. It simply will not have the majority of the material I have created on it anymore. "

...and the business ramifications of that difference.
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On Jun 28, 2015, jstreiff wrote:
This thread began as an announcement that Kenton was retiring a website. It has turned into commentaries about Kenton, the more negative of which seem to come mostly from people who have either never actually seen him perform or have never actually met him.

I find it interesting that those who know him, like Amira and myself, do not share this opinion. Only a few posts talk about his business practices. And again, the thread began simply as an announcement, nothing more.


I guess I'll repeat it for a third time

This thread isn't talking about Kenton's material, his personality, his persona or his performance style.

The title clearly states its about his business practices, and I amongst others have exposed just how shady they are.

I think Kenton's a great performer, love a lot of his material. However I don't support someone that blatantly lies to there community to make a quick buck.

Stay on topic
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I guess I'll repeat it for a third time


Never repeat an effect unless you're able to accomplish the same thing with a different method. Oh, and I guess there should be a reason to repeat it, too.
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I have noticed Wonder Words have been compiled into a sort of online course for 117$ in the new website (https://www.wonderwizards.com/c/courses/wonder-words-the-course) is that what the cryptic language meant?
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On Jun 28, 2015, Matt Chalk wrote:
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On Jun 28, 2015, jstreiff wrote:
This thread began as an announcement that Kenton was retiring a website. It has turned into commentaries about Kenton, the more negative of which seem to come mostly from people who have either never actually seen him perform or have never actually met him.

I find it interesting that those who know him, like Amira and myself, do not share this opinion. Only a few posts talk about his business practices. And again, the thread began simply as an announcement, nothing more.


I guess I'll repeat it for a third time

This thread isn't talking about Kenton's material, his personality, his persona or his performance style.

The title clearly states its about his business practices, and I amongst others have exposed just how shady they are.

I think Kenton's a great performer, love a lot of his material. However I don't support someone that blatantly lies to there community to make a quick buck.

Stay on topic




Neither the title nor the OP said anything of the sort. The thread went downhill pretty quickly. And no one has "exposed" anything. Cast aspersions, allegations and innuendos, sure, but nothing of substance.
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On Jun 28, 2015, Matt Chalk wrote:

This thread isn't talking about Kenton's material, his personality, his persona or his performance style.

The title clearly states its about his business practices, and I amongst others have exposed just how shady they are.



Matt,

The title of the thread and the OP's post is clearly about an announcement. You were the first person to use the words 'business practices' in a post in this thread.

I have searched this site looking for your comments regarding Kenton's practices supporting your allegations. Perhaps I am doing something wrong in the search, but I can't find any such posts on this site. Could you please provide a link to one of them?
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