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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On May 24, 2015, rockwall wrote: What I meant was that some of the No voters were following the party line of the Catholic church (which one in four priests was uncomfortable with, by the way). They were voting the way their clergy told them, rather than out of any conviction. This is particularly true of older people. Their clergymen might have been homophobes (some were, undoubtedly) but that does not make their flock homophobes.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
How amazingly condescending. They may well believe that their clergy are correct with every bit as much real "conviction" as you have that gay marriage should be supported.
I was just kidding about the part about being amazed, though.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Sheeple lead the way.
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On May 24, 2015, LobowolfXXX wrote: Correct, they should not be discriminated against for housing or employment.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On May 24, 2015, Starrpower wrote: Your table has no legs. Legs are part of animal anatomy. The metaphor of furniture having legs is so old that we take it for granted. But it is (and certainly originally was) a metaphor. (Not hard to see that animal legs had to have been in language long before the invention of the table.) "Homophobia" hasn't been in our lexicon as long as legs, to be sure. But it's a word we're stuck with for the time being. Rather like "modernism" describing art of the 1920s.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On May 24, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Well, I would argue that they do have legs but that is a whole other kettle of fish. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
We're not "stuck" with it by accident. It's not going away anytime soon. It's a rhetorical attempt to control the argument; if you oppose, say, gay marriage or other political positions, it's not because you have any reasonable belief system; you're just afraid of gay people. It's no random quirk of language.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
But the three-legged swastika is the symbol for the Isle of Man not Ireland.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Lobowolf, I was not being condescending in any way; I live here and I know what is going on. Some held sincere views, others followed the party line. It is that simple.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
You have a not uncommon tendency to universalized your own beliefs and experiences.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On May 24, 2015, tommy wrote: As it has been since centuries before the Nazis existed.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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lunatik Inner circle 3225 Posts |
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On May 24, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: Again, nothing to address the specific points. Please respond Bob, unless you know I'm right, which I HIGHLY suspect.
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Darth_Prime Veteran user 322 Posts |
I did Luntik
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Marriage, Civil Unions. Let me ask. Can a man and a woman have a civil union? Can two straight individuals have a civil union for legal purposes? Or are civil unions only for gay couples of the same sex? Just some questions that I would like to know the answers too. The why anyone would want to is not important. However I feel the, "can it be done" is what is important. Just curious. Does anyone know?
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On May 24, 2015, lunatik wrote: Not to nit pick but certainly nobody should be descriminated against at all right?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Bigots will argue, obstinately, irrationally and unfairly that buggery is not a perversion of nature.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
The phrase "civil union" hardly connotes the love and dedication that most people nowadays associate with marriage. It sounds more like a business partnership than a lifelong commitment.
Heterosexual marriages performed in civil ceremonies are nonetheless "marriages" in the eyes of the law. Why is it necessary, in a secular society, to suggest that vows between same sex couples are any different, in name or in fact, from those taken by heterosexuals? "Civil unions" were simply created by progressive states in order to combat discrimination against homosexuals by guaranteeing visitation rights in hospitals, equality for tax purposes, marital estates in property, inheritance, etc.- rights that they were previously denied in most jurisdictions in the US. And many states once fought as vehemently against those simple rights as they now do against the simple but critical recognition that a marriage is primarily of the heart, not a financial or business proposition. To insist that civil unions are the same as marriage ignores that critical difference and suggest that their unions are something less than those between heterosexuals. The desire or ability to procreate has NEVER been a prerequisite for marriage in this country. Again- separate is NOT equal and those who are opposed to gay marriage aren't required to marry one, nor do their marriages have any effect whatsoever upon your own. (Unless you insist that your relationship somehow be recognized as "better.") |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On May 24, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: Bob, Was that in answer to my question about who can partake in a Civil Union? If so I am still not sure. However it may not have been in response to my question.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
One the practical reasons for marriage is to prevent incest.
I wonder if the Irish would oppose incestuous marriage between homosexuals and If so on what grounds?
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Darth_Prime Veteran user 322 Posts |
Civil unions don't always guarantee hospital visitations rights, there have been stories where couples have been denied visitations and information etc. same with property, custody, possessions etc
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