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Congress voted on the ACA. It was not subjected to a popular vote of the people, so the point is really off topic. The point being made here is that equality under the law should not be subject to a majority vote on who has equal rights and who doesn't.

If civil rights for blacks were put up to popular vote in 1964 they would have been denied.
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There doesn't appear to be all that much more support for gay marriage in Oreland than there is in the USA. Just different rules of law, which is unsurprising given the disparities in population and size between the countries.
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Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Science is decided by a show of Irish hands.
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On May 23, 2015, mastermindreader wrote:
Congress voted on the ACA. It was not subjected to a popular vote of the people, so the point is really off topic. The point being made here is that equality under the law should not be subject to a majority vote on who has equal rights and who doesn't.

If civil rights for blacks were put up to popular vote in 1964 they would have been denied.


Then why does everyone site polls to prove it is popular?

So yiu think it is better to have dictates as opposed to how people prefer to be governed?
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Good for Ireland!

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Nasty nasty nasty
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I think it's good that they allowed people to decide how they want to run their country. Agree or disagree, it's seems reasonable to me!
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... Ireland has become the first country in the world to endorse gay marriage by popular referendum (as opposed to legislation).
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Good for the Irish. The way is should be done. ("by popular referendum (as opposed to legislation")


I would agree with that if "popular referendum" around here didn't mean; "people using fear tactics to sway voters."
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Let me guess. Any time you disagree with the idea it is a scare tactic right?
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Have you ever considered that your comprehension of posts here isn't always accurate? Or that you are often too presumptuous?
Please show me an opposing opinion to my own relevant to this thread.
please tell me where I said the Irish hadnt made a thoughtful decision.
I will now breathlessly await your next load of self righteous wit.


Sorry - if you choose to give one word answers, you will have to tolerate(oh gosh - there's a terrible word) me making what I can of it.

Or you could always be less ambiguous.

Why is 'tolerate' a terrible word?
And where was I ambiguous? You asked me a simple straightforward question, I gave you a simple straightforward answer. Im sorry I don't suffer from verbal diahrrea and don't live to hear myself talk like someone else here.


So both deaf and verbally constipated?
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And it must be painful when consummated.
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Yaaaas!

I'm so happy for Ireland, it's sad that people are voting on our rights, just because we are Gay doesn't mean we shouldn't be recognized as Human... hopefully the US can get it right finally too
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On May 23, 2015, magicfish wrote:
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On May 23, 2015, Destiny wrote:
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On May 23, 2015, magicfish wrote:
Have you ever considered that your comprehension of posts here isn't always accurate? Or that you are often too presumptuous?
Please show me an opposing opinion to my own relevant to this thread.
please tell me where I said the Irish hadnt made a thoughtful decision.
I will now breathlessly await your next load of self righteous wit.


Sorry - if you choose to give one word answers, you will have to tolerate(oh gosh - there's a terrible word) me making what I can of it.

Or you could always be less ambiguous.

Why is 'tolerate' a terrible word?
And where was I ambiguous? You asked me a simple straightforward question, I gave you a simple straightforward answer. Im sorry I don't suffer from verbal diahrrea and don't live to hear myself talk like someone else here.


So both deaf and verbally constipated?

Don't be so hard on yourself. I wouldn't say you're deaf, just blind or maybe a superiority complex. You're constantly jumping to conclusions and you're usually wrong. Then, you back pedal with a snide shallow apology and wait to attack again. Like now.
As far as Verbal constipation goes, I would say yes, you are a sufferer, so I will ask again.
Why is 'tolerate' such an awful word?
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Well it is like suffer.
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Well it is like suffer.

How so?
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Suffer (v.) Look up suffer at Dictionary.com

mid-13c., "allow to occur or continue, permit, tolerate, fail to prevent or suppress," also "to be made to undergo, endure, be subjected to" (pain, death, punishment, judgment, grief), from Anglo-French suffrir, Old French sofrir "bear, endure, resist; permit, tolerate, allow" (Modern French souffrir), from Vulgar Latin *sufferire, variant of Latin sufferre "to bear, undergo, endure, carry or put under," from sub "up, under" (see sub-) + ferre "to carry" (see infer).
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Wow. thanks, Tommy. I never really linked the two before. I always thought of tolerate as such a positive word and suffer as a negative. But you're right. They can definitely be synonymous.
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Yaaaas!

I'm so happy for Ireland, it's sad that people are voting on our rights, just because we are Gay doesn't mean we shouldn't be recognized as Human... hopefully the US can get it right finally too

Our constitution was written in a different time, and we were delighted to change it. It was not so much a matter of voting on gay rights, as acknowledging that there is only one type of citizen in this country, and that is an equal citizen.

For as long as I remember there has been little or no discrimination against gays here, but there is a perception among the gay community that the discrimination still exists. I hope tonight, as the whole country parties and celebrates, they realize the bad old days are well and truly in the past. We have openly gay government ministers and politicians, openly gay sports stars, openly gay presidential candidates, and even openly gay priests.

Whatever the conservative wing of the Magic Café might think (and I am surprised to see some negativity in what should be a good news thread) it is a great day for the Irish.
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I thought Ireland was a strong, aggressive and tough country. I guess I thought wrong. Smile
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Gay fellows are tough.
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