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TonyB2009
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There have been numerous posts on here about gay marriage and other gay rights issues. So I thought I would share the news. Ireland has become the first country in the world to endorse gay marriage by popular referendum (as opposed to legislation).

Yesterday we were asked to change our constitution to give full marriage rights to every citizen, straight or gay. And the referendum has been carried by a sizable majority; we are all delighted here.
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Whoopee...
Things are more like they are today than they've ever been before...
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Times have certainly changed when political correctness usurps the Vatican.
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Times have certainly changed when political correctness usurps the Vatican.


The Irish?

Politically Correct?
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Surprising and terrific news. Congratulations to the Irish people!
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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... Ireland has become the first country in the world to endorse gay marriage by popular referendum (as opposed to legislation).
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Good for the Irish. The way is should be done. ("by popular referendum (as opposed to legislation")
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Yea I think the same thing Rockwall.

I am glad they did it that way as opposed to a mandate by government at the point of a gun. Good for the Irish. (I am not claiming to agree or disagree with if it "should" be done, but just that is the way "it should" be done.) Good for Ireland.
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On May 23, 2015, magicfish wrote:
Times have certainly changed when political correctness usurps the Vatican.


The Irish?

Politically Correct?

Yes.
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On May 23, 2015, magicfish wrote:
Times have certainly changed when political correctness usurps the Vatican.


The Irish?

Politically Correct?

Yes.


Do you ever consider that people who come to different decisions than yourself might have made a thoughtful choice?

Obviously the heterosexual majority of Ireland decided their marriages are not threatened by giving gays the same rights - and are not worried that there is some agenda to make homosexuality compulsory like... um... heterosexuality used to be.
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Have you ever considered that your comprehension of posts here isn't always accurate? Or that you are often too presumptuous?
Please show me an opposing opinion to my own relevant to this thread.
please tell me where I said the Irish hadnt made a thoughtful decision.
I will now breathlessly await your next load of self righteous wit.
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Have you ever considered that your comprehension of posts here isn't always accurate? Or that you are often too presumptuous?
Please show me an opposing opinion to my own relevant to this thread.
please tell me where I said the Irish hadnt made a thoughtful decision.
I will now breathlessly await your next load of self righteous wit.


Sorry - if you choose to give one word answers, you will have to tolerate(oh gosh - there's a terrible word) me making what I can of it.

Or you could always be less ambiguous.
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Less ambiguous leaves less wiggle room.
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On May 23, 2015, TonyB2009 wrote:
... Ireland has become the first country in the world to endorse gay marriage by popular referendum (as opposed to legislation).
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Good for the Irish. The way is should be done. ("by popular referendum (as opposed to legislation")


Often this is a bad idea. One of the functions of a constitution and an impartial judiciary is to protect the rights of individuals from "mob rule". A democratic referendum to strip rockwall of all his assets and divide them amongst us" cannot be acceptable in a modern liberal democratic state.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats
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It's all well and good when the majority supports the constitutionally correct position, but if you're a slave, you can get awfully tired waiting for everyone to come around and pass a referendum.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Less ambiguous leaves less wiggle room.

None required, but thanks for being a nice guy.
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It's a great day to be Irish.

It should be noted, though, that the vote was necessary because of the Irish constitution.

In the US, constitutionally guaranteed rights should NOT be subject to popular vote.
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Have you ever considered that your comprehension of posts here isn't always accurate? Or that you are often too presumptuous?
Please show me an opposing opinion to my own relevant to this thread.
please tell me where I said the Irish hadnt made a thoughtful decision.
I will now breathlessly await your next load of self righteous wit.


Sorry - if you choose to give one word answers, you will have to tolerate(oh gosh - there's a terrible word) me making what I can of it.

Or you could always be less ambiguous.

Why is 'tolerate' a terrible word?
And where was I ambiguous? You asked me a simple straightforward question, I gave you a simple straightforward answer. Im sorry I don't suffer from verbal diahrrea and don't live to hear myself talk like someone else here.
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It's a great day to be Irish.

It should be noted, though, that the vote was necessary because of the Irish constitution.

In the US, constitutionally guaranteed rights should NOT be subject to popular vote.

Good point.
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On May 23, 2015, TonyB2009 wrote:
... Ireland has become the first country in the world to endorse gay marriage by popular referendum (as opposed to legislation).
...


Good for the Irish. The way is should be done. ("by popular referendum (as opposed to legislation")


Often this is a bad idea. One of the functions of a constitution and an impartial judiciary is to protect the rights of individuals from "mob rule". A democratic referendum to strip rockwall of all his assets and divide them amongst us" cannot be acceptable in a modern liberal democratic state.


Sort of what happened with the ACA and you seemed to support that.

Doesn't it happen constantly with the battle cry of the rich need to pay their "fair share" and all that class warfare bs?
Danny Doyle
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<BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell
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