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RogerTheShrubber
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On May 24, 2015, jimgerrish wrote:
The cross-cut force doesn't fool anyone. YOU, as a magician, use it as a tool to fool the fiddlesticks out of everyone, including other knowledgeable magicians. It's all in your presentation and style.

I suppose a clue is in order. Don't cross the bottom stack on top- instead put a shot glass on the top half and separate it with the bottom half (but not crossed). Believe it or not, this has fooled many magicians who should know better. You can also use the card box for separation, but the shot glass adds a concern of "danger", especially if it is full of liquid, that befuddles the mind from a card force to something else. The force comes later, when you ask a spectator to carefully lift the cards off the glass, peek at the card "to which they cut" and take a drink from the shot glass.


This is brilliant and I thank you for it. I just posted in the "Totally impromptu self-working favorites... (the fritz)" thread about my favorite bar trick, but I'm going to incorporate this as soon as football season starts and my sports bar visits become more frequent. Much appreciated.
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My wife will not be classic forced. But this one works on her! (Shhh. Don't tell her!)
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^^^^^ Same here!
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Been called out on it only once, and that was by a guy who was burning my every move and had some magic know,edge already. Everyone else totally fooled. Seems to work fine for most cases.
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I, always, place a ***l**a** on the bottom, (already cased) then, I shuffle. Smile (After crossing, either one, is offered) If seated, after the selection is made, I *** the other. If standing, after the selection, I use a little misdirection, & remove the other, by **l***g.

(Or... You can have 2 different, separate, predictions set up. Just, don't forget, where each is positioned. One time, I, completely, FORGOT!/LOL)

Give it a try!

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Used it many times and it's great if you have a storytelling type of presentation. It seems as if you're just chatting with the volunteer and not really paying attention to the cut, which makes the audience not pay attention to the cut, since you're not giving it any importance.

In general, when learning or trying out new forces, always have a back-up trick for an indifferent card if your force fails. The spec never knows what you're going to do so it won't even appear as if anything has gone wrong.
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I like to place it down and bring up my hands to eye level and "talk with my hands" for a moment. Works pretty well for me.
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You don't need to overdo the "distraction" phase. Just, the less attention you pay to the cut, the less attention the audience will pay.
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...do have a killer reveal, though.
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Aaron Fisher has some good thoughts on this force on one of his teaching videos.
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This very force was a favorite of Michael Skinner's Of course it wasn't the only one that he used. Mike probably knew more ways to force a card than most magicians. He also knew which ones worked best for the effect that he wanted to perform.
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I hate this force. I hate it with a passion so strong you can't even begin to imagine my hate. That said, I'm sure the vast majority of people are stupid enough to fall for this nonsense. After all, half of them are of below average intelligence. However, I would rather kill myself than rely on this force. If you can't force better, you'll still probably fool a fair number with it. If you know your audience will fall for it, go for it. But dear god, please work on forcing better! This is a force that fools a significant percentage of the population, but it's very sad that fools so many. If you're just starting out? OK. I can see that. But please, please, work on learning better forces.
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I agree with RiderBacks, there are many better forces and not very difficult. There is a good DVD called 40 Ways to Force a Card
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I agree that it can be easily spotted by someone looking for it and for a single card force probably better methods exist.
But what about the situation in which you want to force a small stack you prepared at the bottom (lets say four cards). Is there a deceptive way to do this without lengthy one by one forces ?
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RiderBacks, no need to insult the general public. This force works because of inherent errors in the human mind and memory that we all share. That includes you. They're not stupid, they just don't remember what happened or attach enough importance to attend to it.
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Saw Kreskin use it.
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I love this force. Not only does it work well, it seems so clean - all the spectator seems to recall is that they cut to the predicted card (or whatever). Can't get fairer than that ... Smile

Ps: I love the Hindu force too, lol.
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Jmbulg, Yes. I'll pm you.
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On Oct 23, 2015, Professor Marvel wrote: RiderBacks, no need to insult the general public. This force works because of inherent errors in the human mind and memory that we all share. That includes you. They're not stupid, they just don't remember what happened or attach enough importance to attend to it.


Well, half the general public is of below average intelligence... That's just a fact. It's not an insult, and much will work on some which won't work on highly intelligent individuals. I'm just saying. I try things out first on some of the smartest and brightest. Not everybody does this. Nor does it matter for most. But if I can't use something to fool an intelligent Ph.D. in math, logic, physics, or some similar discipline (who also has at least some familiarity with cards---but not necessarily magic!), then I won't use it. And the cross-cut force won't fool a single math Ph.D. I know. So it gets a fail vote from me.

Would I perhaps use it if I was performing for obviously stupid drunks in a dive bar? Sure. This is all about knowing your audience. And I have already stated numerous times, that the force can be used effectively for the right spectators. If you know that your spectators are pretty clueless, go for it. Of course, most folks can't guarantee that they'll always be performing for the unthinking crowd. If that's you, then learn a better force.
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On Oct 23, 2015, Professor Marvel wrote: RiderBacks, no need to insult the general public. This force works because of inherent errors in the human mind and memory that we all share. That includes you. They're not stupid, they just don't remember what happened or attach enough importance to attend to it.


Well, half the general public is of below average intelligence... That's just a fact. It's not an insult, and much will work on some which won't work on highly intelligent individuals. I'm just saying. I try things out first on some of the smartest and brightest. Not everybody does this. Nor does it matter for most. But if I can't use something to fool an intelligent Ph.D. in math, logic, physics, or some similar discipline (who also has at least some familiarity with cards---but not necessarily magic!), then I won't use it. And the cross-cut force won't fool a single math Ph.D. I know. So it gets a fail vote from me.

Would I perhaps use it if I was performing for obviously stupid drunks in a dive bar? Sure. This is all about knowing your audience. And I have already stated numerous times, that the force can be used effectively for the right spectators. If you know that your spectators are pretty clueless, go for it. Of course, most folks can't guarantee that they'll always be performing for the unthinking crowd. If that's you, then learn a better force.
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