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RogerTheShrubber Veteran user 301 Posts |
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On May 24, 2015, jimgerrish wrote: This is brilliant and I thank you for it. I just posted in the "Totally impromptu self-working favorites... (the fritz)" thread about my favorite bar trick, but I'm going to incorporate this as soon as football season starts and my sports bar visits become more frequent. Much appreciated. |
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Ross W Inner circle UK 1776 Posts |
My wife will not be classic forced. But this one works on her! (Shhh. Don't tell her!)
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Roy Rocha New user 60 Posts |
^^^^^ Same here!
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
Been called out on it only once, and that was by a guy who was burning my every move and had some magic know,edge already. Everyone else totally fooled. Seems to work fine for most cases.
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Sixten Inner circle Floral Park, NY, U.S.A. 4654 Posts |
I, always, place a ***l**a** on the bottom, (already cased) then, I shuffle. (After crossing, either one, is offered) If seated, after the selection is made, I *** the other. If standing, after the selection, I use a little misdirection, & remove the other, by **l***g.
(Or... You can have 2 different, separate, predictions set up. Just, don't forget, where each is positioned. One time, I, completely, FORGOT!/LOL) Give it a try! Sixten |
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MagieFraudster New user 95 Posts |
Used it many times and it's great if you have a storytelling type of presentation. It seems as if you're just chatting with the volunteer and not really paying attention to the cut, which makes the audience not pay attention to the cut, since you're not giving it any importance.
In general, when learning or trying out new forces, always have a back-up trick for an indifferent card if your force fails. The spec never knows what you're going to do so it won't even appear as if anything has gone wrong. |
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esmerdon New user Knoxville, TN 54 Posts |
I like to place it down and bring up my hands to eye level and "talk with my hands" for a moment. Works pretty well for me.
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MagieFraudster New user 95 Posts |
You don't need to overdo the "distraction" phase. Just, the less attention you pay to the cut, the less attention the audience will pay.
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MagieFraudster New user 95 Posts |
...do have a killer reveal, though.
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fonda57 Inner circle chicago 3078 Posts |
Aaron Fisher has some good thoughts on this force on one of his teaching videos.
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RS1963 Inner circle 2733 Posts |
This very force was a favorite of Michael Skinner's Of course it wasn't the only one that he used. Mike probably knew more ways to force a card than most magicians. He also knew which ones worked best for the effect that he wanted to perform.
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RiderBacks Loyal user 251 Posts |
I hate this force. I hate it with a passion so strong you can't even begin to imagine my hate. That said, I'm sure the vast majority of people are stupid enough to fall for this nonsense. After all, half of them are of below average intelligence. However, I would rather kill myself than rely on this force. If you can't force better, you'll still probably fool a fair number with it. If you know your audience will fall for it, go for it. But dear god, please work on forcing better! This is a force that fools a significant percentage of the population, but it's very sad that fools so many. If you're just starting out? OK. I can see that. But please, please, work on learning better forces.
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lumagic New user 52 Posts |
I agree with RiderBacks, there are many better forces and not very difficult. There is a good DVD called 40 Ways to Force a Card
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jmbulg Loyal user Belgium 208 Posts |
I agree that it can be easily spotted by someone looking for it and for a single card force probably better methods exist.
But what about the situation in which you want to force a small stack you prepared at the bottom (lets say four cards). Is there a deceptive way to do this without lengthy one by one forces ? |
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Professor Marvel New user 51 Posts |
RiderBacks, no need to insult the general public. This force works because of inherent errors in the human mind and memory that we all share. That includes you. They're not stupid, they just don't remember what happened or attach enough importance to attend to it.
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Jerskin Inner circle 2497 Posts |
Saw Kreskin use it.
GrEg oTtO
MUNDUS VULT DECIPI |
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Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
I love this force. Not only does it work well, it seems so clean - all the spectator seems to recall is that they cut to the predicted card (or whatever). Can't get fairer than that ...
Ps: I love the Hindu force too, lol. |
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ejohn Special user Atlanta 720 Posts |
Jmbulg, Yes. I'll pm you.
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RiderBacks Loyal user 251 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2015, Professor Marvel wrote: RiderBacks, no need to insult the general public. This force works because of inherent errors in the human mind and memory that we all share. That includes you. They're not stupid, they just don't remember what happened or attach enough importance to attend to it. Well, half the general public is of below average intelligence... That's just a fact. It's not an insult, and much will work on some which won't work on highly intelligent individuals. I'm just saying. I try things out first on some of the smartest and brightest. Not everybody does this. Nor does it matter for most. But if I can't use something to fool an intelligent Ph.D. in math, logic, physics, or some similar discipline (who also has at least some familiarity with cards---but not necessarily magic!), then I won't use it. And the cross-cut force won't fool a single math Ph.D. I know. So it gets a fail vote from me. Would I perhaps use it if I was performing for obviously stupid drunks in a dive bar? Sure. This is all about knowing your audience. And I have already stated numerous times, that the force can be used effectively for the right spectators. If you know that your spectators are pretty clueless, go for it. Of course, most folks can't guarantee that they'll always be performing for the unthinking crowd. If that's you, then learn a better force. |
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RiderBacks Loyal user 251 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2015, Professor Marvel wrote: RiderBacks, no need to insult the general public. This force works because of inherent errors in the human mind and memory that we all share. That includes you. They're not stupid, they just don't remember what happened or attach enough importance to attend to it. Well, half the general public is of below average intelligence... That's just a fact. It's not an insult, and much will work on some which won't work on highly intelligent individuals. I'm just saying. I try things out first on some of the smartest and brightest. Not everybody does this. Nor does it matter for most. But if I can't use something to fool an intelligent Ph.D. in math, logic, physics, or some similar discipline (who also has at least some familiarity with cards---but not necessarily magic!), then I won't use it. And the cross-cut force won't fool a single math Ph.D. I know. So it gets a fail vote from me. Would I perhaps use it if I was performing for obviously stupid drunks in a dive bar? Sure. This is all about knowing your audience. And I have already stated numerous times, that the force can be used effectively for the right spectators. If you know that your spectators are pretty clueless, go for it. Of course, most folks can't guarantee that they'll always be performing for the unthinking crowd. If that's you, then learn a better force. |
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