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I am compassionate about animals, I do not want to see them hurt or tortured. I cried when I had to put my cat down because he was old and suffering. But it was MY decision to do so because HE DID NOT HAVE RIGHTS! HE WAS A CAT!
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On Jun 1, 2015, Starrpower wrote:
I am compassionate about animals, I do not want to see them hurt or tortured. I cried when I had to put my cat down because he was old and suffering. But it was MY decision to do so because HE DID NOT HAVE RIGHTS! HE WAS A CAT!



1) Are you talking about legal rights, moral rights, or both?
2) Is it your position that (non-human) animals don't have legal rights, or that they shouldn't have legal rights, or both?
3) What's the basis for that belief?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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If they do not have the ability to lie, cheat and steal they should not have rights. Smile
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On Jun 1, 2015, Starrpower wrote:
I am compassionate about animals, I do not want to see them hurt or tortured. I cried when I had to put my cat down because he was old and suffering. But it was MY decision to do so because HE DID NOT HAVE RIGHTS! HE WAS A CAT!


Putting something in all caps (shouting) doesn't make it so. Nor do exclamation points.

Here are some solid arguments from the FAQ of the Nonhuman Rights Project:

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Why do you talk about “nonhuman animals”?

Humans are animals; people tend to forget that. Under current law, the only animals recognized as having legal rights are humans.
Don’t rights come with responsibilities? If you can’t be responsible, then you can’t have rights.

Not true. Millions of humans have fundamental rights that are not linked to responsibilities. Children and physically or mentally impaired adults cannot bear responsibilities, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have legal rights. You can’t just lock them up or use them for entertainment (at least not anymore).

Surely human rights are only for humans.

That’s right. Human rights are for humans. Chimpanzee rights are for chimpanzees. Chimpanzees do not need the right to vote, for example, but they do need the right not to be held captive in shocking conditions in laboratories or roadside zoos.

What do you mean by “legal person”?

A legal person is an entity capable of having legal rights. These have included humans, fetuses, corporations, and ships. (Even, in Indian courts, idols and holy books have been granted legal personhood.) It’s society’s way of acknowledging that an entity counts in the law.

Not long ago, men generally agreed that women and children could not be legal persons, but were simply the property of men. In this country we said the same thing about African-American slaves. We are asserting, based on clear scientific evidence, that it’s time to take the next step and recognize that certain nonhuman animals cannot continue to be exploited as property.


http://www.nonhumanrightsproject.org/
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Not exactly on point, but interesting nonetheless-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/03......612.html
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