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Dougini
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Hmmm, you're right!

...meine liebe Damen und Herren.

So...liebe Herren would be the closest approximation?

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The first thought that cam to mind when I read the title of this thread was a logic puzzle:

A magician must be a gentleman so... all gentlemen must be magicians.
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On May 30, 2015, stoneunhinged wrote:
German doesn't have a word for gentleman.


Is there a standard title for Molière's "Le bourgeois gentilhomme" in German? Or do they stick with the French title, as is often the case in English?
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On May 30, 2015, Starrpower wrote:
The first thought that cam to mind when I read the title of this thread was a logic puzzle:

A magician must be a gentleman so... all gentlemen must be magicians.


That's not a logic puzzle. It's just a common example of a logical fallacy.

All bird are vertebrates.

All mammals are vertebrates.

Therefore all mammals are birds.
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On May 30, 2015, Starrpower wrote:
The first thought that cam to mind when I read the title of this thread was a logic puzzle:

A magician must be a gentleman so... all gentlemen must be magicians.


That's not a logic puzzle. It's just a common example of a logical fallacy.

All bird are vertebrates.

All mammals are vertebrates.

Therefore all mammals are birds.


Exactly. But you knew what I was getting at.
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But...as men magicians, we must strive to be Gentlemen! In the highest order! There is no room for crass behavior or .douchebaggery. Our audience is our Crown Jewel!

Doug
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You're right, Doug ... but sadly, elegance and class are largely a thing of the past ...
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So, isn't it up to US to change that? Or is it a lost cause?

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The beauty of acting is that one can act whatever fits the bill but a gentleman hardly fits bill of a magician in some respects.
“The Gentleman is always truthful and sincere; will not agree for the sake of complaisance or out of weakness ; will not pass over that of which he disapproves. He has a clear soul, and a fearless, straightforward tongue. On the other hand he is not blunt and rude. His truth is courteous; his courtesy, truthful; never a humbug, yet, where he truthfully can, he prefers to say pleasant things. [J.R. Vernon, "Contemporary Review," 1869]

An humbug on the other hand; “1751, student slang, "trick, jest, hoax, deception," also as a verb, of unknown origin. A vogue word of the early 1750s; its origin was a subject of much whimsical speculation even then.”.
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In German, the closest thing to "gentleman" is "cavalier". No one uses it, however. Just Spaniards and Italians trying to explain themselves.

In English, the word "gentleman" used to be a designation of class. The German "Herr" is approximate to that use. But English moved on, of course, so the class connotation has been lost.

As for the contemporary use of the word "gentleman" to mean something like a polite, dignified, respectful person of high moral standard--well, that use doesn't exist in German. And I'm not sure whether it means anything REAL in English anymore, either.

As y'all know, I tend to prefer the word "friendly". It's not gender-specific, and it has nothing to do with class or manners. It just means that one does one's best to get along with others in a polite, dignified, respectful manner with high moral standards. But, you know, I ain't gonna change the language. I'm tilting at windmills.
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It meant someone of independent means who does have to work for living in America. America, it was a place where anyone could work to become a gent. One didn't have much chance of doing so anywhere else in the world. Which is why America was called the land of the free with no titles and so on.
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On May 30, 2015, Dougini wrote:
But...as men magicians, we must strive to be Gentlemen! In the highest order! There is no room for crass behavior or .douchebaggery. Our audience is our Crown Jewel!

Doug


I'm not sure gentlemen use the word 'douchebaggery'. Smile
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Well, I said we must strive! I have a LONG way to go! LOL! Smile

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Well, I said we must strive! I have a LONG way to go! LOL! Smile

Doug


LOL!
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