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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
Great job at belittling me. I have already said my peace. It is discouraging to receive this kind of hostility. I will avoid this area of the Café from now on.
Don't worry, I will get off your lawn. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It is discouraging you think it is hostility. If you think THAT was hostile you should stick around and just read some of the threads.
You come here for a discussion and get uppity when someone discusses. You then rally show your maturity with the lawn comment. ohhh clever huh? Sorry nobody told you a discussion is two parts. Talking and listening are each one. You seem good at talking but need some work on the other.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2015, Anand Khalsa wrote: You have to me a little more thick skinned to step on the grass here. Did you really believe that you would be received with open arms when coming here and telling those that use this forum on a regular basis that they are all wrong and you do not care for the way they discuss issues? Honestly life does not work that way. I have individuals here that I disagree with constantly and I give them a hard time and they do the same to me. However admittedly there is one or two individuals that I cannot stomach their approach to posting here and their ignorant attitude toward other posters and their beliefs. There definitely is a line that should not be crossed and the longer you stay here the more defined that line will become to you. Stick around. You are only 16 and believe it or not you could learn something here. Even if it is nothing more than coming to realize that there are people whose opinions and beliefs are so far from yours that you would not believe it possible. However stick around and give your opinion but don't get to upset when others disagree with it. That is the way of the world. We are all individuals. You will learn to discuss issues that irk you with individuals that irk you. Believe me, you will find many of both of those things for the rest of your life here and out in the rest of the world.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
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On Jun 10, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote: A bit harsh there Danny Give the poor kid a break. You know, as a Christian fella yourself, God Himself encourages (nay even commands) people to "act" in a certain way. I only see Anand trying to encourage more self-awareness. What harm is there in that? Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
I made some mistakes in this interaction. I realize that now. I got defensive and heated up. I was a little clouded.
My main issue was that some posts felt more like a personal attack then an actual discussion of the issue I had brought up. If you had come forward, Danny, and had just completely disagreed with my views, I would have had no issue. Your comments about me apparently making false accusations/assumptions and me not knowing the people well enough, and me not being experienced enough, felt very personal and pointed. Am I offended? - No. Do I think there was some hostility towards my questions and concerns? - Yes. Was this the most hostile thing in the world? - No. Additionally, listening is not the same as agreeing. I listened to you very closely. I didn't want this to become some sort of dynamic. I am sorry if I contributed to that at all. I hope we can come to an understanding with our disagreements, Danny. I respect you and I really don't want this to get in the way of meaningful conversation between us in the future. Unfortunately, acesover, despite the good reasons you mentioned to stick around, I am going to stick to the magic areas of the Café for a little while. I think I am creating unneeded tension and conflict by posting concerns in a place like this. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Hostile, it's a word from the Indian wars. To be an hostile one had to be a red skin, as opposed to a thick skin cowboy and in opposition to them who spoke with forked tongue and all that.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
Ultimately, I just want to advocate self-awareness. Other than that, I have said what I need to say.
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2015, Anand Khalsa wrote: I encourage you to stick around Anand. It's often disheartening to see how strangers are treated here. Tone can easily be read in many posts and it really is obvious. Your tone is kind and questioning, which are great attributes. For a 16 year old you are a model of humility which many here in NVMS could learn from (I point no fingers, but I am one of those myself) You are assertive in what you stand for as being morally correct. I learn from your assertiveness. You are thirsty for a common ground which can be of benefit, mutually to all. I learn from your sense of justice. Stick around and you will be supported because you show a humble posture of learning. Many could learn that from you Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2015, Anand Khalsa wrote: Many are self-aware Anand, but to what does one measure their awareness against? That is the reality.... Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
Wow, I appreciate that more than words can express, Kam. Your tone also exudes kindness, compassion, and humility. I feel so incredibly grateful for your support and understanding. I am teeming with positive energy. WOW. You have just reframed this entire situation for me. I am reminded of this quote:
"The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched - they must be felt with the heart." ~ Helen Keller |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Anand-
A few things to keep in mind. Most of us who participate regularly in this forum have been debating each other for years. We all know each other pretty well. The "I'll get off your lawn" jibe would be viewed by many here as disrespectful and insulting, given that the majority of us are old enough to be your parents or grandparents. And you've basically just walked into our meeting place telling us how we should act and behave. Can you see how that really isn't the best way to introduce yourself? |
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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
Hello Bob, I definitely do see that, and totally understand why the jibe might be taken as condescending. As I had stated in my response to Danny, I was somewhat clouded towards this part of the discussion. I really said it in response to him saying:
"Don't worry, we've all been 16 before" It felt very demeaning. It wasn't the best thing, however to launch back and fight fire with fire with the lawn comment. I absolutsly didn't mean it towards the adults or older individuals here on the Café. I have a deep respect for all of you. I would point you to the other topics I have contributed to, and my responses, I think, have always shown my respect and appreciation for older magicians. I have lived with my Grandmother for the past five years, and am around elders all of the time. I perform magic and volunteer regularly at nursing homes, and independent living centers, and I am actually very passionate about elder care and treatment, something my Grandmother, a woman who worked for many years as a therapist for caregivers, has instilled in me. The jibe I made was reactionary and juvenile, and didn't at all reflect my values. I apologize if the comment felt demeaning to anyone reading the thread. That really wasn't my intention. ~ Anand |
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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
I really appreciate you pointing that out to me, Bob. Thank you!
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Ian McColl Inner circle 1492 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: Seriously??????? I think Anand has been the best behaved here. He only asked question. I didn't think he needed to ask permission to play in the sand pit.
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: Dear Bob, surely a fair approach should be to see why Anand was cornered into making the "I'll get off your lawn" comment? I feel one should be an advocate of the "message" not the messenger, no matter what age he/she is. I appreciate there needs to be respect for our elders, but one does not stay silent on an issue which is of concern. As long as it is addressed respectfully and with gentle tone, all "parents and grandparents" should respond in kind, if one is fair-minded about it. Personally I have more time for what 12-16 year olds have to say than people my age, although that is not a hard and fast rule. I think Anand spoke with respectful tone in his OP. Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2015, Ian McColl wrote: Nobody has to ask permission. Nobody said or implied such. But when you come in telling others howc to act in the sandbox it is an issue. Some will be nice and tell you gently that it is not the way to start. Some will just tell you. That is how life works.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
Advocating a certain value is much different than explicitly telling someone to behave a certain way. I do not feel that I was ever telling anyone how they should behave. I was expressing legitimate concerns and asking questions. As the discussion progressed, I realized that I really just wanted to advocate self-awareness. I am not sure that warranted the response I received.
"Be sure you positively identify your target before you pull the trigger." ~ Tom Flynn |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Let me clear up the all of us were 16 comment.
Fact is we were. Almost all of us. (Depending on the current age, I believe Zach is 15.) But we all went through it. We all knew what it was to come into knowledge and want to share it with the world. We all went through the thinking the rest of the world being just so crazy and if they just listened to us it would be better. We all were "Keepers of a greater knowledge". Reading many of the philosophers for the very first time and having all that base level knowledge we thought was just so exclusive! Yes we went through it SO WE UNDERSTAND IT. It has been happening since the inception of time in one way or another. (Some of us grew out of it some didn't.) It is not bad, it is not demeaning, it is what it is. And yes we all tried to participate in places where we desperately wanted to be taken seriously as adults. We all at one time probably thought the lawn comment was clever and unique to us. We all lashed out when we maybe were not heard in the way we wanted to be and yes I am telling you we all overstepped our boundaries at one point or another. "When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much he had learned in seven years" You can be as angry as you like. The comment was nothing but an acknowledgment of life as it is and nothing more. Answering it with an actual insult was as you said not the most mature thing ever done.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Jun 11, 2015, Anand Khalsa wrote: Imagine you walk into a Café in real life. People chatting people outright arguing (Heated but you realize these are still friends and have been for years.) people acting and interacting live. So you walk in as the absolute youngest person, by a decade at least. Some are in the 30's 40's 50's and even some in their 60's. Many have advanced degrees. Many have been around the world, many are from different cultures, some spawned from the streets and made it out. A TRULY diverse group, all of whom have one thing in common. Major personalities. So you walk in and the very first thing you do is mention that certain types of things should not be talked about. You say you would like to advocate self awareness. No introduction, no hello how are you, nothing first club off the tee you start (In the eyes of the room.) telling people how it is that you would like to see people interact. Well THAT is what you just did here. What do you think the reaction you would get if you did that live and why do you think the reaction would be any different here? Oh and as an afterthought you mentioned that the discussions seemed "tasteless".
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Anand Khalsa Loyal user Phoenix, AZ 201 Posts |
The contrast you are making between our comments is false. Your comment "Don't worry, weve all been 16 before" did and still does feel demeaning. To stretch my comment to the level of an insult is ridiculous. My comment was a poorly written jibe. It wasn't clever or intelligent. I admit that.
Yet you seem to be trying to frame your comment "Don't worry, weve all been 16 before" as pure empathy. I don't believe it was. You are then trying to frame my poorly written remark as a blasphemous insult. Speak to anyone who actually knows me in real life, and you would find a completely different story than the one you have made up and then plugged about me. I do not expect others to agree with me. I know that people have widly varying opinions. I don't think of the rest of the world as crazy or anyone as crazy if they disagree with me. I don't think my hunger for knowledge or the philosophies I have employed in my life are unique to me. That is why I surround myself with peers who are just as intellectual, if not more, than me. If you are going to hold me to the same accountability level as an adult (which you have), you must also give me that same level of respect. I know the lawn comment is a stupid cliche. I knew that when I wrote it. I don't think its unique to me. It seems odd that you are so offended by something you say is so common and insignifcant. If I overstepped my boundaries by simply expressing basic concerns, asking questions, and advocating my values, then your boundaries must be very small. I am not angry at you whatsoever. You can frame this any way you like. You can try to paint me any way you like. You won't stop me from questioning. You won't stop me from wondering. You won't stop me from expressing concerns. You won't stop me from defending what I believe in. You can't take that away from me, Danny, no matter how you paint it. |
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