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Kabbalah
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Just found this in the Latest and greatest forum...

Pinpoint Pegger Card Punch

Looks like it could be an interesting addition to my collection.
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Seems interesting...
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The fence guides are just silly, as is the overall size ... it's ridiculously large.
This is obviously just for magic tricks, and for those who simply have to own "hardware". It's certainly got nothing to do with what a hustler actually uses.

It's priced similarly to Jim Risers two small punches ... both of which I'd rather have than this one.
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On Jun 16, 2015, Artie Fufkin wrote:
The fence guides are just silly, as is the overall size ... it's ridiculously large.
This is obviously just for magic tricks, and for those who simply have to own "hardware". It's certainly got nothing to do with what a hustler actually uses.

It's priced similarly to Jim Risers two small punches ... both of which I'd rather have than this one.


I have the Riser punches.

You are probably right - this is overkill.
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What I liked best was the currency converter at the bottom of the site. That could come in hand for some and is practical.

Actually this is a natural progression in devices for the hobbyist/magician that look to perform exposes or collect that latest "cheating" devices. Newer and more exotic contraptions to wow one's friends, associates and fellow hobbyists.

The next progression should be a contraption that makes bellies, N-Strippers, Concaves, Pegs and puts "juice" on the cards during the process AND at the same time makes a grilled cheese sandwich. A guy or gal could get hungry doing all this work. No???
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The fence/guide is just useless clutter.

I mean, it's not like you have a specific and highly detailed design to look at and put the blister in exactly the same spot on multiple cards just by looking at that design ..... oh wait......!

It's more overpriced magic hardware, made for magicians who have money burning a hole in their pocket.

Nothing to do with gambling.
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The next progression should be a contraption that makes bellies, N-Strippers, Concaves, Pegs and puts "juice" on the cards during the process AND at the same time makes a grilled cheese sandwich.


Can I get that in a spray from Theory 11?
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I can't lie that I'm intrigued by the design of this little contraption, but I've punched cards with just about anything I can find in my garage. It's always worked just fine, there's no reason anybody would need this. Not to mention, 65 euros = ~73USD, not worth it at all, even for the amusement of having an interesting card punching contraption. Make do with what you have around you!
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So, it's too big, and it has a side fence.

I guess it's back to the drawing board!!
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I have two punches. Bought one from King & Company years ago in Los Angeles. Don't remember where I got the other one.

Think I paid $5 for each (back in the day), and they work just great. Why would you need anything else?
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So, it's too big, and it has a side fence.

I guess it's back to the drawing board!!

No Eoin, more like drawing up a solution to fix a non-existent problem.

You'll do very well selling it to magicians, indeed I hope you do.
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@Eoin

To me, the main problem with that kind of tools is that you don't see where you put the bump and, in my humble opinion, you solved that point very well and in a very clever way. I always admire people trying to improve, doing their best to do things better. I'm on the side of evolution instead of blind tradition. In all honesty, you have my thumb up my friend.

The only thing is the price. Far too high if you ask me.

@others

Why always criticize? We have here someone trying to improve old tools, isn't it great? You talk about the former punchers... Yeah... Ever had one really? Needles that break, you can't see where the bump goes, etc. And as far as I know (a lot!), I've never seen one under $40-50 (not mentioning shipping) and I can even list many as high as $120. So, what's the big deal here? I must say I don't understand what you don't like about this tool.

After all those years I have to say it's becoming hard to me to see all this people here, who never write, film, show, manufacture, play, etc. criticizing again, over and again. And just doing that, criticizing! I have a suggestion for you my friends: can you show us what you can do?

Keep the good work going Eoin!
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Its the first punch I see, where you can actually see the "punching point". please correct me if I'm wrong, if there are several other tools. But since I will never actually use such kind of a tool during a real game I think its a nice improvement of the punch. Also some consistency of the mark did never harm somebody. I like our product Eoin, but I'm still not sure if I'm willing to pay that much. nevertheless, I appreciate the ideas you put into the pegger. nice work, Eoin
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I stand by exactly what I wrote, despite poorly presented straw man arguments which attempt to stifle honest critique.
I'm hardly inexperienced with punch work, and everything I wrote is absolutely, 100% honest and correct. It represents my opinion to be sure, but nothing is fabricated, dishonest or vindictive.

The fence/guide makes the (already large) pegger too large in size.
The fence/guide is somewhat pointless ... even for magic tricks.
Anybody that can't put a blister exactly where they want to put it with a "normal" pegger needs to revaluate whether they should be trying punch work in the first place, and anybody experienced with the work already knows that the need to put a blister in an PRECISE and EXACT location (and do so repeatedly) simply isn't required for punch work.

And finishing everything up, compared to what hustlers ACTUALLY use for punch work, this thing is the size of a 747, and only useful for preparing cards for magic tricks (which a needle will do as well, and for less $$).

Anybody who can prove ANY of these statements wrong, I will gladly and publicly apologize for making it.
This is an expensive, fancy pegger with a bunch of stuff added to what basically starts off as a needle and a cork, or more realistic still - a small dome the size of an apple seed with an even smaller pin fixed into it, all dabbed with a bit of superglue (and not to put too fine a point on it, you can see exactly where the bump is with this last one).

Nowhere did I make any personal comments about Eoin or his business acumen, his creativity, or marketing skills. I commented directly and solely on his product, and only offered comments related to exactly what my own experience would support.

Problem with it? ... tough ... get a thicker skin.

It's a pegger, and it puts a blister in a card. They've been around for decades. Eoin has engineered some interesting features into his version, none of which are "mandatory" to making a blister in a card.
As I noted, I hope Eoin sells hundreds of them to magicians and gets rich in the process.

There isn't a gambler alive that would be interested in this.
Magicians and obsessive hardware collectors will line up for it.
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As I noted, I hope Eoin sells hundreds of them to magicians and gets rich in the process.

There isn't a gambler alive that would be interested in this.
Magicians and obsessive hardware collectors will line up for it.


This is exactly right, and more power to Eoin if he has a market to sell these, and make money. The way I'm seeing this product is an attempted improvement on something that doesn't exactly need improving (I'm actually not solid in this statement, I've never used this product or any other pegger, just from what I've read.). Don't stop making new devices and trying things out though. I quite like this to tell you the truth, but it's nothing that I need and nothing I'm personally willing to pay so much for, but there are others that will, so don't worry about me (and others that share my opinion!)

Do you machine these and the parts yourself?
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Here's mine, by the way:

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I appreciate the positive feedback.

Just to clear up a couple of things, I am a magician, and yes, this pegger was designed for magicians.

Size is not everything, mine is big, such is life. This pegger is designed to be used to gaff a deck in the comfort of your own home, not in a covert manner, so size really does not matter.

If the fence offends you, it unscrews.

That is all.

@AMcD Nice, but it needs a fence.
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@Eoin

To me, the main problem with that kind of tools (evidently AMcD means other type punches), is that you don't see where you put the bump and, in my humble opinion, you solved that point very well and in a very clever way. I always admire people trying to improve, doing their best to do things better. I'm on the side of evolution instead of blind tradition. In all honesty, you have my thumb up my friend.

I agree. Trying to improve a product, whether or not one actually does improve it or if the product actually needed improvement, is a notable endeavor. For some this would be a desirable "new" type punch.

For me, the old type punch does the job admirably. For others, perhaps it doesn't. So what? Different strokes for different folks.

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@others

You talk about the former punchers... Yeah... Ever had one really? Needles that break, you can't see where the bump goes, etc. And as far as I know (a lot!), I've never seen one under $40-50 (not mentioning shipping) and I can even list many as high as $120. So, what's the big deal here? I must say I don't understand what you don't like about this tool.

I have two punches. They are old school punches. Small, light, efficient and I have never had a needle break (it is a punch, not a hammer and chisel) and could always put the hump where I wanted it.

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Why always criticize? We have here someone trying to improve old tools, isn't it great?

I think it is great that Eoin is trying to improve old tools. I really don't see any criticism here, just some people feel the punch is not necessary or perhaps overkill FOR THEM. It is THEIR opinion; they have given their reasoning and are entitled to do so.

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After all those years I have to say it's becoming hard to me to see all this people here, who never write, film, show, manufacture, play, etc. criticizing again, over and again. And just doing that, criticizing! I have a suggestion for you my friends: can you show us what you can do?

Hmmm... Who is doing the criticizing now? I don't see any demons on this thread. Smile
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Here's mine, by the way:

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Well...I think we can all see now why you have been having so much trouble using a punch. Smile
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Cag, I'll never forgive this:

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which is one example only among dozens of other insults, attacks and denigration.

Don't bother to read my posts or to answer them. I don't care.
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