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Honestly, I was appalled that the teaching/effects - particularly for the CC Card and the transposing angels - were being introduced as capable of "changing magic forever".

I have bought only a handful of items over the years from Ellusionist. They've got a reputation for hype (though I don't recall anything that matches "Change"), but also a generally good reputation for customer service and putting out good quality material. I have to wonder, though, if "Change" could have the poorest "hype to reality" ratio of any product they have ever released?
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On Jul 4, 2015, Chessmann wrote:
Honestly, I was appalled that the teaching/effects - particularly for the CC Card and the transposing angels - were being introduced as capable of "changing magic forever".

I have bought only a handful of items over the years from Ellusionist. They've got a reputation for hype (though I don't recall anything that matches "Change"), but also a generally good reputation for customer service and putting out good quality material. I have to wonder, though, if "Change" could have the poorest "hype to reality" ratio of any product they have ever released?


I whole heartedly agree. I love everything I have ever gotten from them. Like I said they are where I got my true start with magic. But Change truly does have the "poorest "hype to reality ratio"

I feel like Brad wanted to make money so he picked a "pawn" to put his name on the effect. So he could hype it up and make money off of nothing. Not seriously but Elluminati anyone? (:
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There are 2 people I don't trust and will never purchase any of there Hyped Products

Sanns Mind

And

Elusionist

Time and Time again they both promise the earth but never deliver

Sad thing is even though people have been burned

In a few weeks time when the next hyped item comes out I expect the same people
will be saying the same things again

Some people never learn

Don't believe the hype.

Don't pre order anything
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Please, everyone demand their money back. Don't let them get away with this.
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Please, everyone demand their money back. Don't let them get away with this.


Hitting the wallet is the likely the only way to spur any change in behavior. On my return form, I let them know very clearly my feelings about the effect and the hype. I thought about simply selling mine, but I just didn't want them to turn around and sell it to someone else.
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Please, everyone demand their money back. Don't let them get away with this.

Pegasus, great call.

The rest of us are all laughing at the purchasers. Look...

Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile Smile

Do you really want to be the laughing stock?

No, didn't think so.

DEMAND a refund NOW!
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Jamie, would you like something to scoop? Here's something for ya to scoop! Reminds me of "Change," too! Smile

What a combination!

[img]https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=19144545[/img]
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Brilliant Chessman! Smile
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Here we go, Jaime! Its perfect!

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Look, Jaime! This one comes with 5 gimmicks, too!

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This is just about to get out of hand. We are all professionals here. Can we not discuss this more in a way that does not make everyone look like 12 year old boys? I ordered this effect and have not received it as of yet. When I do I will leave an honest review.

-Altrez
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Unlucky Altrez.

I think Chessman's pics of the product are quite accurate.
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Oh, I don't think a little fun is too out of order.

But I promise I will refrain from posting any more pictures of "Change".
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We aren't hearing anything more from Geraint or Lloyd now, are we?

Sometimes I wonder why Lloyd bothers to release his best stuff to the public.

I'm expecting mine on Monday. If I'm unhappy with it, I will be asking for a refund without a doubt.

I may even take it straight to PayPal just to go on the record with them.

That's the only way to stop this sort of thing from happening again.
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On Jul 4, 2015, minderX wrote:
If think this concept was already used by Alvo Stockman the name of the effect is "Battle of the Sexes"

So the concept is not new in magic just the use with playingcards


But the blurb stated "It's a new concept that could help CHANGE magic forever."

So not only was the advertising over-hyped.. it was also flat out WRONG. And yes I still think that the animation of the card changing with no camera movement and no card movement is dishonest and misleading.

BTW, did anyone else notice that not one, but ALL of the "what people are saying" quotes in one of the emails came from social media sites.. i.e. from people who had only seen the trailer?
"Here's what people are saying so far about CHANGE:
"That's alien technology...out of this world!!!" - Will Palmer, Facebook
"Holy @%#&" - anandmagic, Instagram
"Wtf??? amazing" - Israel Gonzalez, Facebook
"Actually looks like pure unreal impossible magic need this now" - adam_grangea, Instagram
"I can't believe what I just saw" - mygamingisepic, Youtube
"god its amazing, made my skin crawl" - Shevins Kunjumon, Youtube
"Change by @LloydTBarnes is one of the best pieces of magic I have seen in a long time, It is CrAzY DoPe! #ChangeMagicForever" -@SamRazMagic, Twitter
"Have watched the trailer for CHANGE too many times to count. Have CHANGED my pants too many times to count. Thanks @Ellusionist !!" -@K1ng0f5pades, Twitter.

And now we're getting a slap on the wrist because someone dares to compare it to a pile of feces? I think, all things considered, that it's an incredibly reasonable and fair comparison. But the cry-babies keep on.. Ah well. Deal with it.
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I wasn't going to admit to it as I feel so utterly embarrassed that I fell into the trap. I've been buying and performing for many years and should have known better. My name is Smaltrab, and I bought this.

Had I have seen the comment by Lloyd, or read any of this thread before I purchased, I would never have bought this. "Magic that will change your life" is a extremely bold statement, so how DARE you whine about people having some pessimism ESPECIALLY that you've sold 2000 at $30. That's $60,000 hard earned dollars you taken!!!!!!! (I know that because I even checked it with a calculator, so there!) I imagine most people work hard for their money, so it's their RIGHT to want to be a little curious, ask questions, pick it apart a little and when Ellusionist makes stupid claims, that even an experienced magician like me, fell for. You can expect the backlash when deliver the crap you sent.

I expect no-one to give a sh*t, especially not Lloyd or Ellusionist, but I'm absolutely livid after reading his comment. What an absolute disgrace to magic you and Ellusionist are for the way you have marketed this effect. If anything, I think you owe people an apology, and having Magic.Maddy writing posts whoever she/he is, is also an embarrassment. Hand on heart, if my best friend released this to the world, I would make them stand-up and apologise for the marketing. I actually wouldn't have been bothered if I'd have bought it, like I've bought some other un-usable stuff over the years, if the ad copy was genuine.

I'm sure I'll get banned for airing my views so bluntly, but in this case I'll compare buying this effect to having someones thumb shoved up my arse without any spit.

I look forward to your review of my upcoming release... which is about average, and will marketed as such.
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Funny that I didn't see a thread about this on the Ellusionist forum. I wonder what poor moderator has to delete every "this sucks" post. Must be an all-day job trying to hide the truth from the public.
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Funny that I didn't see a thread about this on the Ellusionist forum. I wonder what poor moderator has to delete every "this sucks" post. Must be an all-day job trying to hide the truth from the public.


Yes, I went there and was very surprised not to find a single mention of it.
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And no reviews posted yet on the product page on E's site
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