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This was an email to me from Ellusionist:

Hello!

I am sorry you're not happy with it. Lloyd developed this trick in live performances with real audiences. The trick is definitely a worker - though it does have some lighting restrictions and angle considerations.

All it takes is some time working on knowing the angles and managing the audience.

-Christopher Thisse
Ellusionist Customer Support

Still no word if I am going to get my money refunded.

Bobby
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On Jul 8, 2015, Jamie Ferguson wrote:
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On Jul 8, 2015, pegasus wrote:
The instructional video should be changed to give the buyer instructions on how to pursue a full refund.

Funniest post of the thread! Smile

Nice one pegasus.


Thank you, Jamie. Although I was being deadly serious. Smile
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On Jul 8, 2015, robwar0100 wrote:
"Lloyd developed this trick in live performances with real audiences. The trick is definitely a worker"


With no video of live performances to support these claims...
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On Jul 8, 2015, TuneHV wrote:
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On Jul 8, 2015, robwar0100 wrote:
"Lloyd developed this trick in live performances with real audiences. The trick is definitely a worker"


With no video of live performances to support these claims...


totally agree ....
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This is Ellusionist for you. They have been guilty of false advertising, misleading video's and dishonest business practices. Why do people keep dealing with them?
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This is Ellusionist for you. They have been guilty of false advertising, misleading video's and dishonest business practices. Why do people keep dealing with them?


totally agree !!!... if this was a “normal” brick and mortar retailing trading business, they would probably be shut down ... if this was a known online trader... again would most probably be shut down.. so... why do we as paying customers have to tolerate magic companies continuously breaking the law.. something needs too be done ... lawsuits to be won ... its a disgrace . Just because our art is deemed as “secret” , this certainly doesn’t mean the unlawful trading should be kept a secret too...
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Oooshaaaa ooosshaaaa .... sorry , gets me so angry..
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Well, defending the indefensible is a pretty daunting task.

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While I was very disappointed in "Change", I am highly impressed with Lloyd and Geraint's vanish abilities!



Regarding the statements out of E the "this is a worker" I really wonder how many effects there are that have the same problems "Change" has that E would also call 'workers'?

Based on the magical knowledge I have accumulated over the years, "Change" would never be considered a worker.

E is really stuck now. They hyped this as game-changing. If they back-track they are admitting willful deceit. So from E this will always be a worker.
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How about slipping the gaff card under the cellophane of a cardbox to get rid of the 'reflective' issue
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I just want to add that I am part of the dissatisfied customers group. The method is great for youtube-kids but a complete disaster for magicians who actually perform for real people (you could be able to pull it of for 1 individual but even then it is still highly impractical in my opinion).

After seeing all the messages in this post I don't think anybody on the magic Café is still thinking about purchasing change whenever it comes back in stock but if somebody is still thinking about it, I don't think practice is going to solve the problem (especially if you perform for multiple people), save your money and buy something else, you will be glad you did.

When I just started out in magic Ellusionist was a great place to start, I even still perform stigmata on a regular basis and I have a variation on Kaos which I use whenever the time is right. Now I just feel sorry for all the new kids that get a bad experience when buying magic for the first time.

some performance tips:
1. Sandwhich the gimmick in between other cards when doing the change so that you can cover the card immediately after the change to prevent flashing.
2. Stand behind your spectator and look over their shoulder for the "perfect angle"
3. One more time: Just don't buy change and spend your money on something else, something you will actually use.
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Like I said; if the wire card doesn't disappear as described its faulty. I wouldnt even bother contacting elussionist. If they cared they'd wade in now with support for their customers and a live performance video to back up their claims. I really like lloyds stuff but I do think the !@#$ them then chuck them mantra is not on
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For what its worth, the cord section of my ear bud card can vanish all the way. A small victory in a pasteboard of disaster.
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Ellusionist clearly doesn't care.

Don't you think that they are reading every word that is said here?

And they are silent.
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Behind the scenes they are not silent...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3BbqFaa1sk
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On Jul 8, 2015, Jamie Ferguson wrote:
Behind the scenes they are not silent...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3BbqFaa1sk

This is definitely the stuff that gives people nightmares.
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I'm happy to report that they have agreed to refund my money on this purchase.
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Customer despair of his purchase of CHANGE.

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On Jul 7, 2015, TuneHV wrote:
So a Penny is 5X its size because I'm lazy?

And a red card looks purple because Im lazy, too?

Oh, and because Im lazy the face of the king looks like it was printed on a sheet of plastic that doesn't resemble a real playing card?

I guess I'm just not ready to change my magic forever. Good to know!
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I am embarrassed to say I fell for the artful video hype . . .
Last thing I buy from Ellusionist.
Won't suffer the shame of being fooled twice.
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