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robwar0100 Inner circle Buy me some newspapers.Purchase for me 1 Gazette and 1747 Posts |
This was an email to me from Ellusionist:
Hello! I am sorry you're not happy with it. Lloyd developed this trick in live performances with real audiences. The trick is definitely a worker - though it does have some lighting restrictions and angle considerations. All it takes is some time working on knowing the angles and managing the audience. -Christopher Thisse Ellusionist Customer Support Still no word if I am going to get my money refunded. Bobby
"My definition of chance is my hands on the wheel," Greg Long.
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
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On Jul 8, 2015, Jamie Ferguson wrote: Thank you, Jamie. Although I was being deadly serious. |
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TuneHV Inner circle New York 2062 Posts |
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On Jul 8, 2015, robwar0100 wrote: With no video of live performances to support these claims... |
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2012multimagic Loyal user 241 Posts |
.. you guys are pure entertainment alone !!!!! ..... sit back , relax and read on ...
hey guys !!!... looking forward to joining this community.. some WILL hate me.. some MAY love me ... enjoy !!!...
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2012multimagic Loyal user 241 Posts |
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On Jul 8, 2015, TuneHV wrote: totally agree ....
hey guys !!!... looking forward to joining this community.. some WILL hate me.. some MAY love me ... enjoy !!!...
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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts |
This is Ellusionist for you. They have been guilty of false advertising, misleading video's and dishonest business practices. Why do people keep dealing with them?
Keep your dreams alive. Understand to achieve anything requires faith and belief in yourself, vision, hard work, determination, and dedication. Remember all things are possible for those who believe.
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2012multimagic Loyal user 241 Posts |
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On Jul 8, 2015, Danny Kazam wrote: totally agree !!!... if this was a “normal” brick and mortar retailing trading business, they would probably be shut down ... if this was a known online trader... again would most probably be shut down.. so... why do we as paying customers have to tolerate magic companies continuously breaking the law.. something needs too be done ... lawsuits to be won ... its a disgrace . Just because our art is deemed as “secret” , this certainly doesn’t mean the unlawful trading should be kept a secret too...
hey guys !!!... looking forward to joining this community.. some WILL hate me.. some MAY love me ... enjoy !!!...
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2012multimagic Loyal user 241 Posts |
Oooshaaaa ooosshaaaa .... sorry , gets me so angry..
hey guys !!!... looking forward to joining this community.. some WILL hate me.. some MAY love me ... enjoy !!!...
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
Well, defending the indefensible is a pretty daunting task.
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On Jul 8, 2015, Jack Straw wrote: Regarding the statements out of E the "this is a worker" I really wonder how many effects there are that have the same problems "Change" has that E would also call 'workers'? Based on the magical knowledge I have accumulated over the years, "Change" would never be considered a worker. E is really stuck now. They hyped this as game-changing. If they back-track they are admitting willful deceit. So from E this will always be a worker.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Bill08 Special user Montreal 719 Posts |
How about slipping the gaff card under the cellophane of a cardbox to get rid of the 'reflective' issue
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neoinwonderland Regular user 112 Posts |
I just want to add that I am part of the dissatisfied customers group. The method is great for youtube-kids but a complete disaster for magicians who actually perform for real people (you could be able to pull it of for 1 individual but even then it is still highly impractical in my opinion).
After seeing all the messages in this post I don't think anybody on the magic Café is still thinking about purchasing change whenever it comes back in stock but if somebody is still thinking about it, I don't think practice is going to solve the problem (especially if you perform for multiple people), save your money and buy something else, you will be glad you did. When I just started out in magic Ellusionist was a great place to start, I even still perform stigmata on a regular basis and I have a variation on Kaos which I use whenever the time is right. Now I just feel sorry for all the new kids that get a bad experience when buying magic for the first time. some performance tips: 1. Sandwhich the gimmick in between other cards when doing the change so that you can cover the card immediately after the change to prevent flashing. 2. Stand behind your spectator and look over their shoulder for the "perfect angle" 3. One more time: Just don't buy change and spend your money on something else, something you will actually use. |
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Paul S Wingham Inner circle 1378 Posts |
Like I said; if the wire card doesn't disappear as described its faulty. I wouldnt even bother contacting elussionist. If they cared they'd wade in now with support for their customers and a live performance video to back up their claims. I really like lloyds stuff but I do think the !@#$ them then chuck them mantra is not on
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Chessmann Inner circle 4242 Posts |
For what its worth, the cord section of my ear bud card can vanish all the way. A small victory in a pasteboard of disaster.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Jack Straw Inner circle Wichita 1020 Posts |
Ellusionist clearly doesn't care.
Don't you think that they are reading every word that is said here? And they are silent.
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow We can share the women, we can share the wine |
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Bràth 3640 Posts |
When the chips are down, the duvet is uncomfortable.
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neoinwonderland Regular user 112 Posts |
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On Jul 8, 2015, Jamie Ferguson wrote: This is definitely the stuff that gives people nightmares. |
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magicshowprod Regular user Seattle, WA 109 Posts |
I'm happy to report that they have agreed to refund my money on this purchase.
Don Shock
The Magical World of Don Shock |
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gtx magic Special user United Kingdom England 954 Posts |
Customer despair of his purchase of CHANGE.
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
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sparky269 New user 2 Posts |
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sparky269 New user 2 Posts |
I am embarrassed to say I fell for the artful video hype . . .
Last thing I buy from Ellusionist. Won't suffer the shame of being fooled twice. |
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