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Paul S Wingham Inner circle 1355 Posts 
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Whilst I can smile about this whole thing; the marketing tactics are in my opinion; unforgivable and if my son had saved his money up to buy this; I'd have an issue with them. I said somewhere else; its like going to a diy shop and buying a drill. Then when you get home, you discover the drill will only drill holes through paper. They didn't lie to you; you got a drill, but they should explain the limitations in my opinion.
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robwar0100 Inner circle Buy me some newspapers.Purchase for me 1 Gazette and 1748 Posts
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I am not sure how to manufacture this type of thing at home. Does anyone here? I was wondering, if this was used hundreds of times in the real-world, how was the original one made?
Not sure, but I have no clue how to make just one that I would use and try out. Bobby
"My definition of chance is my hands on the wheel," Greg Long.
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Paul S Wingham Inner circle 1355 Posts
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I think it'd be cheaper / easier to just buy it than it would be to make it. It's not an easy process as far as I am aware and in fariness to E; the quality of the cards isn't really the issue with this trick, it was the agreesive marketing, the clever play on words suggesting there would only be 999 and the main issue that they totally ommitted the fact that you basically need someone to stand at a specific distance from you and to not move left and right / ip and down to perform this, without fear of being caught.
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ReviewerMaster Veteran user 307 Posts
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Bought into the hype. The quality of cards are quite good. But definitely not workable.. only if they had pointed out it's meant for social media promote, then I'd be a much happier customer.
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weepinwil Inner circle USA 3284 Posts
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On Jul 15, 2015, robwar0100 wrote: That was my point. They could have explained the principle and sold the gimmicks. Most everyone would have been happy, but they would have sold a lot less of them. There was no real reason to not disclose the technique except as a marketing ploy.
"Til Death us do part!" - Weepin Willie
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magicshowprod Regular user Seattle, WA 109 Posts
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The whole debacle has caused me to take Ellusion off of my buying list. And I won't be doing anymore preordering. I had to sit on my buying hand this morning after learning about some new card magic that is coming out.
Kind of a shame this whole thing had to happen.
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RNK Inner circle 4681 Posts
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On Jul 15, 2015, magicshowprod wrote: It is a shame. But this was not an isolated incident. This happens a lot in magic. We as buyers have to learn how to turn our compulsive obsessive switch off, lol. |
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Spartan21 New user 4 Posts
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Has anyone managed to get their postage refunded? Ellusionist are only willing to repay the cost and wouldn't even compensate with a free download.
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 6718 Posts
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On Jul 14, 2015, robd wrote: It really makes me sick. I get hyped all the time in my email. I just trash 'em. All of 'em. I know what I want when I want it. Ellusionist really stepped on their d*** this time! Doug |
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gtx magic Special user United Kingdom England 747 Posts
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The reviews from the 3rd to 10th July = 12 only and no negative feed back. They tell us they have had overwhelming positive feed back and they are out of stock on the first batch.
I wonder where all the other reviews are,Mmmmm makes you wonder doesn't it...Could there be a reason why they are not showing us all the reviews considering they sold out on the first run,over 1000 sold that = only 12 reviews and they range from 3 stars to 5 stars and not one "BAD REVIEW" and yet magiccafe members are 95% or more negative reviews.Is it us on the Café that are wrong, or is someone telling us lies. Mmmmm I wonder !!! 
Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
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robwar0100 Inner circle Buy me some newspapers.Purchase for me 1 Gazette and 1748 Posts
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My question regarding how to make them was not so I could make it myself. I see no sense in using this as a gimmick for a real magic presentation. I think as a kid's item, it might be fun as a puzzle, but I was not looking for a puzzle, rather a game-changer of an effect.
The question was how in the world does someone make up a prototype and use it hundreds of times in the real world? What does hundreds of times mean? Go to a club and show everybody? I am in a small market, but I am top of mind when it comes to finding a magician in my area. I am the go-to guy. Having said that, I do dozens of shows a year, which makes it difficult to do anything hundreds of times in the real world. Bobby
"My definition of chance is my hands on the wheel," Greg Long.
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Fin Veteran user 322 Posts
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Live demo..... still waiting..... Lloyd?.... LLOYD?
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Bill08 Special user Montreal 588 Posts
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On Jul 15, 2015, robwar0100 wrote: Good point. Probably would cost the same to produce 1 as it would to produce 100 |
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MichaelJae Loyal user 283 Posts
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Galileo Elite user Somerville MA 431 Posts
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Ellusionist constantly shows no concern about the practicality of the products it sells, or care for the customers it caters to. I'm hoping others will stop buying from them and encouraging this sort of irresponsible behavior.
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barts185 Inner circle Can you believe I've been wrong on 1316 Posts
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I saw some people wondering if it was still for sale since the original page no longer works. It seems like they changed the page name, not sure if they changed the ad copy.
http://www.ellusionist.com/change-by-lloyd-barnes.html I see that http://www.ellusionist.com/change.html redirects to the new page, not sure if it always did. Still only 12 reviews - I guess no one wants to review it.  |
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robwar0100 Inner circle Buy me some newspapers.Purchase for me 1 Gazette and 1748 Posts
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On Jul 16, 2015, MichaelJae wrote: Michael, Thanks for the live demo, but after watching it, I feel like someone did stick it to me. Bobby
"My definition of chance is my hands on the wheel," Greg Long.
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Griflex New user North Wales UK 71 Posts
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I bought this on a pre-order...I live in the UK and had to pay the high shipping costs...Ellusionist had not shipped my item on the Wednesday after the date of release so I cancelled my order as I had changed my mind after the early bad reviews on here...Ellusionist said they could not cancel my order due to the volume of orders of this effect as it would take too long to process and they would have to ship it to me in the UK and when I receive it ship it back to them at my cost to then get my refund!!!!....This I told them was totally unacceptable with regards to distance selling laws and I insisted on my full refund...I also filed a dispute with Paypal siting what I have just said and within 2 hours got my full refund.
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts
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I came here because the trick is sold out at Ellusionist. Don't want to read the whole thread though, so sorry if this has already been asked.
Any idea if they are going to get it back in stock again or not? Looks really stunning! |
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TuneHV.png "View Profile") Inner circle New York 1730 Posts
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On Jul 18, 2015, writeall wrote: You really should read through the thread if you plan on purchasing it in this instance.....
David Jonathan
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