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Paul S Wingham
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I somehow don't think they'll issue refunds worth $60k. I purchased this for a static camera piece so I may get some use out of it. However; as it was said its workable; it'd be good to hear how you do this with people who are different heights and not looking straight on.
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On Jul 1, 2015, Bill08 wrote:
I've often seen stores with statements like "You are buying the secret. No returns on magic items"


As it says on E's Return Policy.
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On Jul 1, 2015, Chessmann wrote:
No refunds "...unless approved by Ellusionist..."

Edit: I sent E this email about 10 minutes ago:

***

Hello ~

I just received "Change" by Lloyd Barnes and watched the instructional video.

I am returning the god-awful set to you for a full refund, including postage. This is the most shameful example of effect & hype I can remember running across.

You will find my order information below.

***

I just received an email approving the refund.


If that's true that's promising to hear, but I'll still hold out hope until my gimmicks arive. I mean, if it really is that bad, then the marketing is laughable. Surprising since Lloyd has a very good track record and he thinks its his best creation to date. Time will tell..
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On Jul 1, 2015, TuneHV wrote:
If that's true that's promising to hear, but I'll still hold out hope until my gimmicks arive. I mean, if it really is that bad, then the marketing is laughable. Surprising since Lloyd has a very good track record and he thinks its his best creation to date. Time will tell..


Who knows - maybe you'll find some uses for them.

I admit, I was quite surprised at E's willingness to accept a return for refund. Then I realized that I shouldn't have been surprised, at all.
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In fairness I've heard some good things about this from people with nothing to gain from this so I'm reserving judgment until mine arrives. Perhaps we should all do the same before we sharpen pitch forks. Not that I'm suggesting your review is wrong or anything chessman.
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I am disappointed. Chessmann ranks very high in credibility, and I don't doubt it a bit. 2000 units or thereabouts...and I wonder how many will be sent right back? Watch the Café "For Sale" section. What's the price on this again? $34.95, and I'd be furious...$50 or MORE??? Ballistic! To the MOON!

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But, that said, maybe this will be a collectible. Stranger things have happened.

Doug (again)
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On Jul 1, 2015, Paul S Wingham wrote:
In fairness I've heard some good things about this from people with nothing to gain from this so I'm reserving judgment until mine arrives. Perhaps we should all do the same before we sharpen pitch forks. Not that I'm suggesting your review is wrong or anything chessman.


Yes, there were some kind words at the beginning of this topic. These were my own thoughts. One man's meat is another man's poison, as is said. If others find more usefulness than I did in this release, more power to them.

BTW, I think some were curious as to the thickness of the gimmicks. Each is about as thick as 2 playing cards. They are very flexible and sturdy. You won't worry about breaking them unless whatever holds the gaff to the card fails.
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I just received mine today. First Impression ... I like this ALOT!!! .. I will have to practice the angles
but I have a routine that will kill with this (specifically the color changing card from Red to Blue).
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Smile Well, there ya go! Haha. Glad someone will get something out of it!
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Lloyd Barnes?

No!
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On Jul 1, 2015, Dougini wrote:
What's the price on this again? $34.95, and I'd be furious...$50 or MORE??? Ballistic! To the MOON!

Doug


Doug, thank you. The price was $29.99 + shipping. I had great hopes for this, but one thing that did concern me a little was the low price point for something that promised so much. There are certain conditions where the cards will look absolutely normal. However, there were, for me, too many sabotage points re: lighting and angle. The color changing card can look fine in one room - I moved to another, holding the card at the same angle and distance from my face, and the reflection of light caused a terrible distortion. Other times the cards will take on an unusual looking sheen.
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One of the tests I did was taking the CC card and laying it on a table.

- I stepped straight back 3 feet. The card was red.

- I stepped 3 feet to the left of the card. It developed a very marked sheen/distortion.

- I stepped 3 feet to the right of the card. It became difficult to discern if the card was red or blue.

- I stepped back directly in front of the card, then stepped back about 3 feet. The card was blue. Might work for dual reality, though.

The transposing angels I worked with, setting the card on a surface. *Slowly* moving away from the card caused a lovely, slow change...but at one point the lighting just gave the game away. Ok, move to a different location, the lighting is fixed. But remember, since the change on this card is so trigger happy, you must not only adjust for the person's distance from the card, but also their height (!) in order to make sure they don't see half angels on both. 6 inches up or down or forward or backward makes a big difference.

With the ear bud card I tried something similar. I set it on a surface about 4 feet tall, and stood as in front of it, making sure the faux wire looked its sharpest. I stepped back about 3 feet, and the wire had mostly vanished. It *can* work - but there are distance/depth/multiple spectator issues, and then there are also lighting/reflection concerns. Its just not for me.

These things, with the additional concerns of how varying light conditions may vary things even more, and on all of the cards, made me decide to pass.
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This is one of the reasons I hardly buy new tricks these days. All Ellusionist had to do was mention in their ad copy 'there are some angle / lighting restrictions'. But they didn't. Why not? Because if they did, they would probably have sold fewer units.

I'm sure that is also the reason they didn't include live performances in the trailer.

By just showing a few studio shots, filmed at carefully calculated camera angles, they know they will maximise sales, but they do this at the expense of magicians who are unaware of such issues. Magicians see the trailer and in their minds they see themselves performing the trick in whatever environment they normally perform in. But the trick turns up and lo and behold, they can't perform it because of some kind of limitation inherent the in method. If only it was mentioned in the ad copy!

Wouldn't it be useful if in all magic trick ads they included some simple and HONEST information about such things:

Performance angle restrictions
Lighting restrictions
Noise restritions
Minimum viewing distance

Just these 4 points alone would be very useful.

So with this trick, some people will find a use for it, but as Chessmann found out, for him it doesn't work. I'm sure he wouldn't have bought it had this information been forthcoming. I wonder if all 2000 odd would have sold so fast had Ellusionist had the decency to include the above info in their ad.
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I like Ellusionist's Red Gaff and Blue Gaff Decks. I like their Ghost Deck & matching Gaff Deck. I like Brad Christianson. They have to hype stuff. I understand. It's how ya make money. I just ignore most of it. They got me with "Fraud", "KAOS" and "Sinful" and I will never regret those purchases!

I don't hate them at all. I just do thorough research before buying most things like this.

Doug
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Conventional wisdom suggests that Magicians would be the hardest to fool. From what I can see, that's hardly the case. I think it's because those of us who are attracted to this particular endeavor are prone to fanciful senses of wonder, and are much more susceptible to the Grand Marketer's Pitch.

As I've said before, we as a community need to be a bit(not too much!) more cynical,and learn to think critically before throwing money at the Latest and Greatest.

All the crybabies that complain about 'excessive negativity' and those that demand an ignore button(GONZO thread) are not helping the community at all. They are part of the problem. Silencing dissent is never a good idea. If your actions and opinions can't stand up to criticism and counterpoint, perhaps they aren't that worthy of consideration in the first place. Just my lenticularly printed 2˘.
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I hope they are ready to make 1,998 refunds.. Smile
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On Jul 1, 2015, Calvin826 wrote:
Conventional wisdom suggests that Magicians would be the hardest to fool. From what I can see, that's hardly the case. I think it's because those of us who are attracted to this particular endeavor are prone to fanciful senses of wonder, and are much more susceptible to the Grand Marketer's Pitch.


Truer words were never spoken. I've said it before... magicians are the most gullible people in the world - myself included sometimes.

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On Jul 1, 2015, Chessmann wrote:
6 inches up or down or forward or backward makes a big difference.


Exactly as I suspected. Hence my cynicism concerning the wording of the hype and my scorn for the attempts of some of this thread's contributors to stop people from trying to discuss the method's potential, or lack thereof. To imagine that an effect so over-hyped might end up in the preverbial junk drawer? How dare we.. (be so sensible)!
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This thread should receive a sticky. It’s got everything: the over-hyped product; the perfectly filmed video trailer; the dreamy, defensive early adopters; the quick “sell-out”; the immediate second batch of product (to ease the pain of those who missed out on the first batch); the slight delays; and the inevitable, crushing disappointment. It’s perfect, lol…
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