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pegasus Inner circle United Kingdom 8706 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 08:36 am 0 Quote: On Jul 7, 2015, petegrimaud wrote: Quote: On Jun 26, 2015, Lloyd Barnes wrote: Quote: On Jun 26, 2015, Magic.Maddy wrote: So wait... It's being shipped on the 28th of this month? That is a Sunday. The 28th of NEXT MONTH is a Tuesday. So this will be shipped out on Sunday this weekend? (Even though the post is closed) or it will be shipped out Tuesday a month from now? I was under the impression that it was this weekend. There was a brief error on the site because of times zones and dates. It's now corrected. These will begin shipping Monday the 30th of this month. Basically, 3 days from now. The last post submitted by Lloyd Barnes, wondering why been nothing since..? Happy to sell the product but not defend it..? Cos he's got his sidekick to do it for him.
Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Bràth 3642 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 08:37 am 6 Quote: On Jul 7, 2015, TuneHV wrote: The fact that Lloyd and the rest of the E guys vanished from this thread AFTER they got their sales is disturbing. Maybe they are here really but standing at an angle. When the chips are down, the duvet is uncomfortable.
TuneHV Inner circle New York 1804 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 08:47 am 0 Http://r.ebay.com/8loNOj lol, somebody snatch this up. what a bargain! David Jonathan - - - - - - - - - - Precise Premonition \| With The Band \| SNAPS \| You Know \| CAANWICH \| Fourtunate \| Destined \| Wrong Turn \| Fortuity \| Arbitrium \| Sovereign Sandwich \| RudiMental More Info: www.davidjonathanmagic.com
Jack Straw Special user Wichita 965 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 09:21 am 0 Return yours to Ellusionist. I already got my Return Authorization Number, and will be mailing it today. You won't get your shipping back, but $29.95 is better than nothing. And hopefully it will teach them a lesson. You will be complicit in this fraud by not doing anything about it. Ellusionist and Lloyd Barnes and Geraint are added to the growing list of those that I will no longer purchase from. And trust me- once someone is added to the list, I truly have NEVER bought anything from them, no matter how tempted I was. I hope they're happy about all of this! Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow We can share the women, we can share the wine
altrez Loyal user Kentucky 215 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 09:46 am 1 Quote: On Jul 7, 2015, Jamie Ferguson wrote: Quote: On Jul 7, 2015, TuneHV wrote: The fact that Lloyd and the rest of the E guys vanished from this thread AFTER they got their sales is disturbing. Maybe they are here really but standing at an angle. That made me spit out my coffee! So funny! :) -Altrez
pegasus Inner circle United Kingdom 8706 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 10:47 am 0 Quote: On Jul 7, 2015, Jack Straw wrote: Return yours to Ellusionist. I already got my Return Authorization Number, and will be mailing it today. You won't get your shipping back, but $29.95 is better than nothing. And hopefully it will teach them a lesson. You will be complicit in this fraud by not doing anything about it. Ellusionist and Lloyd Barnes and Geraint are added to the growing list of those that I will no longer purchase from. And trust me- once someone is added to the list, I truly have NEVER bought anything from them, no matter how tempted I was. I hope they're happy about all of this! Well said Jack. I hope everyone listens.
weepinwil Inner circle USA 3390 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 11:02 am 0 Quote: On Jul 6, 2015, magicshowprod wrote: Unfortunately, this is the first thing I have ever bought from Ellusionist. It will probably also be my last. If I was a magic dealer I would never take money from my customers in trade for something as bad as this. Live and learn I guess. May they enjoy the last dollar they will ever get from me. I agree. Think I will post my review on good, bad, garbage forum. "Til Death us do part!" - Weepin Willie
fabbmagic New user 14 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 11:56 am 0 No very pratical live!
pelicantrapper Loyal user VA 202 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 01:50 pm 0 Quote: On Jul 7, 2015, TuneHV wrote: Http://r.ebay.com/8loNOj lol, somebody snatch this up. what a bargain! HAHA Jeez. $115. I hope no one falls for that. But alas, someone will. Still we have yet to see any live performances where these cards have fooled someone.
Nash Inner circle Hong Kong ~ USA 1081 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 02:55 pm 0 One of the biggest draw back of magic that can only be done in a 1-on-1 situation is exactly that. You are limited. Ever seen an enthusiastic audience grabbed their friends and surround you and ask you to do the same trick for his friends again? yup.. happens a lot in real life. Don't give up, don't EVER give up. Corporate event magician
Nash Inner circle Hong Kong ~ USA 1081 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 02:55 pm 1 One of the biggest draw back of magic that can only be done in a 1-on-1 situation is exactly that. You are limited. Ever seen an enthusiastic audience grabbed their friends and surround you and ask you to do the same trick for his friends again? yup.. happens a lot in real life. Don't give up, don't EVER give up. Corporate event magician
Chessmann Inner circle 3987 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 03:43 pm 0 There has been some response to the negativity toward change on the Ellusionist forum - one of the responses is from one whom I believe is a staff member. Here are some words by Christoper Thisse: "If you put the work into getting the angles right, this is a great set of gimmicks. But people seem to expect real magic when a product they can't figure out is released. So then they're disappointed with the mundane method and they think it won't fool anyone - forgetting that they themselves were fooled by it. Happens with pretty much every single release. "When it comes down to it - you just have to put the work into getting good at the trick. Some people are too lazy to do that." Which does not address the very specific questions that have been raised. Hmmmm... "Mundane method...?" We were told this was an advance principle that was harnessed into action! My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
TuneHV Inner circle New York 1804 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 03:56 pm 3 So a Penny is 5X its size because I'm lazy? And a red card looks purple because Im lazy, too? Oh, and because Im lazy the face of the king looks like it was printed on a sheet of plastic that doesn't resemble a real playing card? I guess I'm just not ready to change my magic forever. Good to know! David Jonathan - - - - - - - - - - Precise Premonition \| With The Band \| SNAPS \| You Know \| CAANWICH \| Fourtunate \| Destined \| Wrong Turn \| Fortuity \| Arbitrium \| Sovereign Sandwich \| RudiMental More Info: www.davidjonathanmagic.com
Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1363 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 04:20 pm 0 I received mine yesterday and like many others was disappointed. The angle restrictions and lighting conditions were too stringent for my style of performing...Perhaps others will feel differently. The method was clever and I can see it being useful for someone who wants to post some visual magic on their website where you can better control the environment. I'm sure that Lloyd is disappointed by these comments but I really don't feel that it's an issue of practice or "putting in the work". Lighting and angles can be very uncooperative in strolling situations despite our best efforts. Lloyd seems like a very creative individual, so I'll be looking forward to seeing his future work.
TuneHV Inner circle New York 1804 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 04:33 pm 0 Quote: On Jul 7, 2015, Jared wrote: The angle restrictions and lighting conditions were too stringent for my style of performing... Lighting and angles can be very uncooperative in strolling situations despite our best efforts. Quote: On Jun 24, 2015, GeraintClarke wrote: Quote: On Jun 24, 2015, TuneHV wrote: I assume he means lighting conditions, indoors/outdoors, etc.? I'll leave that one for Lloyd to answer. I think it's tungston light that's the one to avoid. Other lighting should be perfect (indoors and out) - G This is part of the reason everyone is so upset... I mean now that we see what it is, that statement is simply not correct. What happened to magicians helping magicians? David Jonathan - - - - - - - - - - Precise Premonition \| With The Band \| SNAPS \| You Know \| CAANWICH \| Fourtunate \| Destined \| Wrong Turn \| Fortuity \| Arbitrium \| Sovereign Sandwich \| RudiMental More Info: www.davidjonathanmagic.com
catweazle Special user 918 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 04:44 pm 0 Maybe its the bit about it changing the face of magic, breaking the internet, and all the other turgid statements put out by people we are supposed to trust that has really upset people, at least they have shown their true colours, so we can ignore their hype in the future, I doubt vol2 will sell out, though the hype machine may try to imply it is a success.. at least 5 people here are now on my ignore list.. the ones supporting this are fooling no one but themselves.
emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4034 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 04:57 pm 4 Vol 2 will come out....right after the colored smoke cartridges they promised about 3 yrs ago. Eric www.ericmyersmagic.com
nattefrost Special user 688 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 05:32 pm 0 Just received my set today. It sure is fun practicing it in the mirror but I have yet to watch the video but it is what I thought it would be. Like Jared said it might be good for some YouTube or video stuff, but angles will be difficult without a doubt. Watching the video now so I'll see what happens.
tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 07:18 pm 1 It has been an education to read this thread. Might I suggest that grown-ups cease to frequent magic producers who aim their products at children? It would save many tears, in the long run, and quite a bit of server space.
robwar0100 Inner circle Buy me some newspapers.Purchase for me 1 Gazette and 1748 Posts	Posted: Jul 7, 2015 07:36 pm 0 Quote: On Jul 7, 2015, Chessmann wrote: There has been some response to the negativity toward change on the Ellusionist forum - one of the responses is from one whom I believe is a staff member. Here are some words by Christoper Thisse: "... forgetting that they themselves were fooled by it. ..." We were fooled by a very impressive video shot ... no one I performed this for was fooled by it, let alone amazed by it. Thanks for the info, Chessman. Bobby "My definition of chance is my hands on the wheel," Greg Long.
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