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Griflex New user North Wales UK 75 Posts 
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On Jul 18, 2015, writeall wrote: You should read the whole thread as it has saved me my hard earned and a lesson learnt in pre-order.... never again! |
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts
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I figure I'd need two to do a color change that makes it appear two cards switch places, but I'm not sure if they are limiting sales or when they will have the product in again.
(Read the first couple pages.) Looks like this was a one time pre-order? So I'm stuck buying used only? I wonder why they still have the ad page up at Ellusionist then. 
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Chessmann Inner circle 3987 Posts
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As much as I dislike the cards as effects, they are very tough, so buying used you won't have to really worry about getting worn gimmicks, or the like.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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daniltan Elite user 478 Posts
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On Jul 19, 2015, writeall wrote: Read more. Even if the you in the past had made the pre-order, you might see him regretting that. Buying a used one? Maybe there about 986 pieces waiting to be sold out there. Quote:
On Jul 10, 2015, emyers99 wrote: Ah, they're about 985 pieces approximately. |
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts
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Buyer's remorse. One of the most common themes in magic.
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Griflex New user North Wales UK 75 Posts
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On Jul 18, 2015, daniltan wrote: They are for sale on "Magic week" all ready LOL FOR SALE: Change by Lloyd Barnes Brand New (Bought 2 Sets from Ellusionist. Check it Out! ) £19 |
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 6724 Posts
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On Jul 18, 2015, writeall wrote: Over-hyped products and dubious pre-orders. Two of the most common themes in magic today. Doug |
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Griflex New user North Wales UK 75 Posts
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On Jul 18, 2015, Dougini wrote: You will not get me pre-ordering again that's for sure...over the past 20 odd years of buying and performing magic I was happy with my magic tricks as I'm sure most of us receive effects and face the odd time disappointment but now this "pre-order craze" has come along and the majority of effects are getting very over hyped to induce our hard earned
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Chessmann Inner circle 3987 Posts
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Upon receiving "Change"
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts
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I used to wonder how Ellusionist always maintained an A+ BBB rating despite many unresolved complaints, which eventually were wiped away. Don't trust BBB ratings.
https://ca.video.search.yahoo.com/video/......715&tt=b
Keep your dreams alive. Understand to achieve anything requires faith and belief in yourself, vision, hard work, determination, and dedication. Remember all things are possible for those who believe.
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writeall Special user Midland, Michigan 930 Posts
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Finally read a bit more of this thread...
You know what? I've got too many tricks already, the vast majority of which I don't perform anyhow. I wonder if there is a worthwhile kickstarter or charity that accepts "money I would have wasted because of a stupid impulse?" |
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JackMagic Inner circle 1823 Posts
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It is clear that E can't be trusted with both the trailers and the reviews as unless you give then a 5 stars , you review never see's the light of day
If you want to write a review that can't be deleted see this site http://www.resellerratings.com/store/survey/Ellusionist |
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gtx magic Special user United Kingdom England 779 Posts
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Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence.
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MR Effecto Inner circle 2439 Posts
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I have only ever ordered from them a few times. 3 times that's all. The 1st time was pure smoke. Joke to me for sure. Sold mine. Made to much noise. A down loade effect from the same guy that made this. Never did get it to work on my phone. Thay were not no help at all. The one thing that lived up to there add I got was phyo. Love it.
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GeraintClarke Elite user 475 Posts
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Lloyd will be posting Live performances here on Wednesday for you.
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RNK Inner circle 4872 Posts
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On Jul 20, 2015, GeraintClarke wrote: That would be nice. My only concern is since there has been so much dissatisfaction with CHANGE and claimed dishonesty with the ad by majority of the buyers, will the live video performances be stooged. There will be no way of us knowing the truth to this. When you MEGA-HYPE a product such as this and it obviously does not live up to the hype, the ones who were responsible will obviously do anything to gain credibility back. Stooging live performances would be rather easy to do. But I hope this is not the route they go. |
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GeraintClarke Elite user 475 Posts
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On Jul 20, 2015, RNK wrote: Great question and good concern. I think the majority of crowds plays a factor on the Café. A good 70% of people jumping in to complain here are just here on this thread to add fuel to the fire and don't own change. Then some people were dissatisfied before they'd even got their package because a few people didn't like it. Then it snowballed. The ones that have posted on this thread to say they liked it have been called liars. It probably doesn't help that Lloyd and Myself have been in Italy, with some assuming that we've just ignored you, rather than us just being busy professionals. Which brings me on to this ...... The LIVE performances were shot in Italy. On some laymen, stewards at FISM, magicians we'd just met etc etc. We don't stooge performances. We fly magicians all over the world to capture great lives in London, NYC, San Fran etc etc. As it happens we had a camera and two packets of CHANGE, so we spent a few hours performing for some magicians we met, which led into performing for some stewards who were watching from a far, which led into laymen who were walking (or cycling past) stopping to enjoy some magic too. The short answer is. NO. We don't stooge lives, never will and certainly wouldn't stooge them based on some negative feedback. Change is being used for people's showreels, youtube accounts, social media marketing and in their shows. The people that saw AN application for it, just went off an did it. Whether it was performing with it, or just using it to market themselves with incredible visuals if they didn't feel comfortable performing it. Great question though! - G. |
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Chessmann Inner circle 3987 Posts
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Geraint, that's a load of crap. But you have no rational retreat. Funny that the instructional DVD had a good deal of sub-par magic...but this was the best Ellusionist could put out for these. Now you're essentially admitting that there is no way on god's green earth that they are going to change magic (forever), but they might get some related uses for it. Unreal.
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A good 70% of people jumping in to complain here are just here on this thread to add fuel to the fire and don't own change. Tell us how you know this. Don't just assert it - show it. Quote:
Then some people were dissatisfied before they'd even got their package because a few people didn't like it. Really? There were surely certain people who saw the first reviews who wondered about what they would be getting, but I can't believe you're suggesting that people are unable to make a decision for themselves about the usefulness of change. Again, you have nothing to say except to deflect blame to others. Quote:
Then it snowballed. With good reason! It stinks, and E's marketing stank even more. Quote:
The ones that have posted on this thread to say they liked it have been called liars. Sadly, there has been some of that...on both sides...but that doesn't excuse E, does it? You're trying to deflect blame - again - its not Ellusionists fault! Its the fault of the buyers! What a load! Quote:
It probably doesn't help that Lloyd and Myself have been in Italy, with some assuming that we've just ignored you, rather than us just being busy professionals. LOL! So, you guys *haven't* ignored this topic? There is no internet in Italy? Lloyd was just too busy to post something? What could he possibly say? Ellusionist hurt their reputation and those who are connected with marketing Change.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Jupiter47 Loyal user 269 Posts
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It seems as though Ellusionist have added another 1000 units for pre order - in conjunction with the SWE deck
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Chessmann Inner circle 3987 Posts
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A good 70% of people jumping in to complain here are just here on this thread to add fuel to the fire and don't own change. As I previously stated, I question this, but even if it were true, what would it change? There were lots of people who commeted in this topic (and 2 others) that didn't like "Change". That's business - a product comes out, followed by reviews, and people buy more or buy less based on those reviews. "Change" is getting poor marks from its owners. There are non-owners commenting (this is a chat forum, after all), but many of these comments have been about pre-ordering, Ellusionists (inconsistent) ethics, etc... But while some people have gone into great and specific detail regarding their negative feelings toward "Change," you seem more intent on blaming others (just as one of the staff at Ellusionist forums did...I guess the brain trust at E have decided that this will be their stock answer: blame others). Lloyd has yet to challenge any of the reviews, but this is not surprising. Once again, what can he possibly say?
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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