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Gorecki Loyal user My servante is currently filled with 268 Posts 
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Very sweet looking effects, and I'm not sure how it's done.
But here's what's stopping me: it looks so much like lenticulars that even if that's not how it's done, I'm afraid most spectators will assume it is. And as we all know, if they *think* they found the solution, then in their minds, the magic is gone (whether or not their theory is right). That's why convincers abound, especially when it comes to stage magic. Copperfield sure *looks* like he's suspended from wires, right? Well, we'll show you enough "proofs" to convince you that it couldn't be the case. Otherwise, spectators just go "He's suspended from wires" and that's the end of it. |
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magicinsight Inner circle 4306 Posts
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On Jun 25, 2015, RNK wrote: Totally agree. I think creators who are honest in their approach and show full, unedited performances from start to finish will see an increase in their sales and in their reputation. Anyone who bought any high end item ($1,250 and up)from Richard Gerlitz knows that not only can you see a full performance of the effect on his web site (gerlitzmagic.com) but he also provides openly provides a link for the full explanation of the mechanics. His items are always sold out and are hard to come by. While he is able to show a full explanation of the mechanics because he knows no one is able to reproduce the effects, and no one is suggesting that any creator of magic explain how is it done, but it shows that if you are honest with the potential buyers, the effect will stand on its own merits and will sell if it is a good effect. Glad that David Penn took that approach when he posted several unedited videos of full performances of his new effect, The Vault. In the short run it will increase sells and in the long run it will establish good relationships with buyers. Michael
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
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weepinwil Inner circle USA 3828 Posts
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Quote: "Totally agree. I think creators who are honest in their approach and show full, unedited performances from start to finish will see an increase in their sales and in their reputation. Anyone who bought any high end item ($1,250 and up)from Richard Gerlitz knows that not only can you see a full performance of the effect on his web site (gerlitzmagic.com) but he also provides openly provides a link for the full explanation of the mechanics. His items are always sold out and are hard to come by. While he is able to show a full explanation of the mechanics because he knows no one is able to reproduce the effects, and no one is suggesting that any creator of magic explain how is it done, but it shows that if you are honest with the potential buyers, the effect will stand on its own merits and will sell if it is a good effect. Glad that David Penn took that approach when he posted several unedited videos of full performances of his new effect, The Vault. In the short run it will increase sells and in the long run it will establish good relationships with buyers.
Michael That's why we only open the coffin half way in the American way of death; the cadaver does not have any shoes. If we opened the entire casket people would think they had been cheated by not including those expensive alligator skin boots the customer came in with.
"Til Death us do part!" - Weepin Willie
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Jack Straw Inner circle Wichita 1020 Posts
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Don't get all Joe Pesci from "Goodfellas" on me for saying this, Will, but you're a very funny guy!
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow We can share the women, we can share the wine |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10798 Posts
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On Jun 25, 2015, Stucky wrote: Exactly. As Joan Rivers used to famously say ... "oh grow up!"
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pelicantrapper Regular user VA 193 Posts
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On Jun 24, 2015, Lloyd Barnes wrote: Can Morpheus be done with the face of the card?? Also why was there no camera man? "This is a concept that is supposed to change magic and change my life (not to mention "the creator had to be flown in" Here is the quote from the email---- "Brad has seen, learnt or perfected every magic trick that's crossed his path in the last 15 years of Ellusionist. He saw it, and flew the artist 5,000 miles from the UK to San Francisco before he'd managed to get his jaw back up from the floor. " And you still can't get a camera man? I don't get it. Anyone else? There is always at least one person around me to film something for me unless I am rushing or the project does not need multiple angles. C'mon Ellusionist. You're the company that got me into magic. Go back to your roots! I like the product, I bought one, and I support you Lloyd but it is little things like this that make the project seem rushed for money. Thanks! |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10798 Posts
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On Jun 25, 2015, Stucky wrote: Exactly. As Joan Rivers used to famously say ... "oh grow up!" So as a mentalist I can predict Lloyds response: He probably already avoids the Café because he sees this as some kind of swirl of "negativity" and sniping and just filled with meanie part time hobbiests. But like other creators who typically avoid the Café - man do they show up with enthusiasm when they need us and want to sell us something. Lloyd - this a fine community with some helpful and intelligent discourse. Be a good sport and play nice - if your product is amazing and groundbreaking you can and should sell loads of them. But don't come barging in and expect to control the discourse - it's not going to happen. Let me suggest you now focus on your wonderful new product. If things are getting a little heated here it's solely of your own doing. Cheers and hope you sell a bundle although I will be watching from the sidelines.
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Magic.Maddy Inner circle 1861 Posts
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Just got an email from E saying they sold out the first day and they are producing another 999 copies.
Chessman must be psychic 
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Jack Straw Inner circle Wichita 1020 Posts
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On Jun 25, 2015, saysold1 wrote: Lloyd has made a career out of controlling his audience (I believe that he said that he'll teach you how to control the grabbers if you PM him), but this audience is one that will be impossible to control. And that's not a bad thing. But, Lloyd, I do have trouble controlling grabbers, so maybe I'll PM you for some help there. And I was one of the 999 buyers of this item
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow We can share the women, we can share the wine |
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RNK Inner circle 7527 Posts
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On Jun 25, 2015, Jack Straw wrote: I agree- this is so visual that simply moving on to another effect or a double lift may not suffice for a lot of audiences.
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Chessmann Inner circle 4247 Posts
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Thanks, Maddy
I can't believe some of the childishness here. Among other things, it is as if people have completely ignored Lloyd's statement that full video performances are on the way (obviously, he needs to deliver on what he promises...). Lloyd, don't bother.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Chessmann Inner circle 4247 Posts
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On Jun 25, 2015, Jack Straw wrote: You're saying GeraintClarke is Lloyd Barnes?
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Merenkov Elite user 413 Posts
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I think the “fishing” is bad form, but I get it. When you can’t see a performance in person, when your only exposure is via an idealized viewing angle (the video camera’s), it’s hard to know exactly how it will play in the real world. That said, it amazes me that people will still buy something like this just based on a video performance (and no actual reviews), but I’m glad those people exist. I anxiously await your reviews!
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JordanVictoria Veteran user France 370 Posts
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Lloyd showed me this about a year ago and I felt in love with this at the moment I saw the change!
This is so powerful and the possibilities/ways to use those gimmicks are endless. What's awesome here is that for only $30 you have not only one but 5 gimmicks to perform miracles! Some other companies would have sold them separately for the same price so thanks you Ellusionist for that!! Lloyd would never release an effect that is not practical and usable in real life. He has a very creative mind and I'm very proud to say he is a friend of I ! Thanks you my friend to share this with us, I'm so impatient to receive my order!
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Chessmann Inner circle 4247 Posts
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On Jun 25, 2015, Merenkov wrote: I think Ellusionist (I actually wonder how much say Lloyd had in the trailer, as it is not being marketed not by Lloyd, but by Ellusionist) did well by showing the gimmicks close-up. You see very clearly what is happening and how it happens. This is the main selling point and purpose of the effect, but naturally, this choice leaves some other questions unanswered re: angles, though Lloyd did answer this earlier in the topic, and stated that live performances are coming. These, plus reviews will hopefully help greatly for those who's performance requirements for this effect would be broader than the current trailer shows.
My ex-cat was named "Muffin". "Vomit" would be a better name for her. AKA "The Evil Ball of Fur".
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Jack Straw Inner circle Wichita 1020 Posts
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On Jun 25, 2015, Chessmann wrote: No I'm not. Did I make a mistake, and was it Geraint that stated that he would help with grabbers? And I'm not making a dig at Lloyd; perhaps I should have said that all magicians certainly TRY to make a career at controlling their audiences. Let me just tell you about my last encounter with a "grabber", although it wasn't exactly "grabbed". I'm "friendly" with some motorcycle clubs in my area (because I work with a guy that is in one of them- I myself am not a member and do not ride and I am not a tough guy), and 2 or 3 or 4 times a year I go to club events to perform. They are kind of fun, depending on your definition of fun. They usually feature a band or two, and beer and hot dogs and hamburgers, along with dwarf tossing and dunk tanks and wet t-shirt and Miss Full Throttle contests. Three weekends ago I went to one, and I was at the beginning stage of performing Alex Lourido's "CAPtivated". I had 4 beer caps on my open palm, and while I was looking at a spec to my right, another one on my left went BAM, and knocked the 4 caps out of my hand. Well, we all had a good laugh at that one, including me. I ended up walking away, and 15 minutes later I went looking for my gimmicks. Two of the four ended up lost. But we all had a good laugh! How do I prevent this, besides not performing at all for these kind of events?
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow We can share the women, we can share the wine |
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taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts
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I guess they are sold out according to the Ellusionist. I didn't know there were 999 magician/hobbyists in the world.
I was impressed by the video, the price, and the fact that you get a gimmick for ever shown effect. Nice job on the pricing. I can understand a few practicality questions, but SOME people always take it way too far In here. |
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Magic.Maddy Inner circle 1861 Posts
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From what I understand, the download will be available on Sunday. So without product in hand, I'm sure there will still be a few reviews on the quality of teaching, live performances, angle issues, and etc. I know I will post one after watching the explanation. I will later post another one after I receive the gimmicks.
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seanksutton Veteran user 331 Posts
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Just ordered. Mostly because it looks sweet and Lloyd seems like a cool guy.
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weepinwil Inner circle USA 3828 Posts
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On Jun 25, 2015, Jack Straw wrote: No offense at all, Jack. I just tell it as I see it.
"Til Death us do part!" - Weepin Willie
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