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Zee
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Hi, my name is Zee. I just registered for The Magic Café(I don't know how to type that e with thing on top..) and I want to share one of my favorite routine I "made up". I just wanted so say hi but only "hi" is a little bit dry so I just wanted to share one of my stuff Smile

Btw, it is V.3, I have V.4 which is much cleaner than this V.3 but I cannot really manage V.4 since it's incredibly hard.... so I still need to practice V4 haha


PS: I got many other stuff under my sleeve(mostly Mentalism but I have few coins and cards and this is one of them)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88L_2Ay4ysI
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Nice
I myself hate any routine that involves going to your own pocket, I don't think there's anything magical about that, but the actual changes were all handled nicely and invisibly.
Zee
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On Jul 3, 2015, daniel116 wrote:
Nice
I myself hate any routine that involves going to your own pocket, I don't think there's anything magical about that, but the actual changes were all handled nicely and invisibly.


Thank you!
That is what most people said to me, so V.4 does not involve my hands going into my pocket since after changes occur and I keep coins all in my hand. I will practice and upload if I can Smile
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Zee, I like this. I think going to the pocket is okay in this routine, since you're just putting away the Chinese coin. This is similar to Curtis Kam's take on Wild Coin, "Wild Pocket." He has some interesting comment on changing the coins back to silver at the end.
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I liked it, the 3rd change is very magical.
The omly thing to improve is how quickly you take the hand out of the pocket. In the first coin you took too long and the coin moved too much indicating that something was going on. The 2nd coin was better.
Zee
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Mystre71
Thank you for complements and I will definitely check that out

Pabloinus
Thank you for your kind words. My personal favorite change is 2nd one too!!
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Hi, thanks for sharing a glimpse of your coin magic.
The coin changes look fine.
And you perform mentalism - all the better. Bravo!
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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At 0:37 you have an "empty" left hand that is just hanging in air. Don't be afraid to drop that hand to the side. The whole body needs to take part in misdirection and naturalness. (This is one of the pitfalls of performing coin magic as a sequence of moves, instead of an effect)
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Hi, my name is Zee. I just registered for The Magic Café(I don't know how to type that e with thing on top..)


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SmileAndNod

Thank you for your advice Smile

When I am not performing magic, even when I am walking I usually have my left hand in that position for no reason. It is just one of my habit.

I also consider dropping hand aside during the performance as unnatural. And especially in that video, if I drop my hands, then I think everything will look kind of sloppy or even suspicious since I have never dropped my hand in the whole video but I just drop it for no reason. It might also ruin the flow of the routine too. And picture wouldn't look good if I had one had showing off my coins in the front and the other hand is just hanging over there :/
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Hello Proof-Daddy!!!
Wow, technology nowadays is wonderful haha
Café (Just wanted to try out something I just learned Smile )
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When I am not performing magic, even when I am walking I usually have my left hand in that position for no reason. It is just one of my habit.



The real reason you do this is because you practice coin magic. Go watch people. They don't do this. Go to a coffee shop and people watch, especially when people transfer from hand to hand.

Here's a scene for you. A man is holding a coffee cup in his right hand while talking to a friend. His left hand is in his front pocket. He takes a drink of the coffee and mid-swallow his phone buzzes in his right pocket. His right hand lowers the glass (holding it higher than he would if he was at rest). His head tilts down and to the right to look at his right pocket during this same movement. Then, three movmements happen at the same time. His left hand comes up out of his pocket, his right hand (with the cup) travel down and across his body and his eyes meet the eyes of his friend. He passes the cup to his left hand (and he may make a, "1 second" gesture with his right hand). His right hand and his eyes in unison shift down to his pocket. (Meanwhile his left hand is holding the cup in the same elevated position that his right hand was holding it earlier). His right hand goes into his pocket, pulls out his phone. During this motion his left lowers from the raised position to the rest position which is with his elbow resting against his side. He reads the message, and then returns the phone to his pocket while regaining eye contact with his friend. As his right hand leaves his pocket his left hand begins to move and both hands meet in the middle to pass the cup back to the right hand. As soon as the left hand lets go of the cup it drops back to his side. His right hand goes to a rest position which is the position you hold the coins in normally.

These are natural actions, and there's a lot of them when you break it down like this, but no one notices them, because they're not important. When you shift away from move-focused magic and focus on the effect as a whole you'll realize how unnatural coin magic really looks.

Basically it breaks down to a couple of rules.

1. Forgotten items are in the lowest energy state possible. If an item must be kept in a certain orientation (such as a cup full of liquid) then your elbow is bent 90 degrees and is resting against your side. For any other item, your arm is straight. (Implied - An empty hand that is not making a gesture is always forgotten)

2. Your eyes follow your focus. The audience's focus is your foucs.

3. While your focus shifts, secondary objects are moved to an excited state. (In the above example, when the man's focus is shift to the phone in his pocket the left hand holding the cup raises up to a higher position. (To get it out of the way)

4. All actions are paired with at least 1 other motion. (As Slydini says, motions start and end at the same time, even if they travel different distances) Usually all three motions (both hands and your eyes) work together. You could go a step further and talk about the lower body movement.

That's basically it. The reason why coin magicians get in the habit of holding empty hands as if they were holding something is because there's a disconnect between the conscious and the subconscious. Once you notice this disconnect it is extremely jarring and feels off. Your body language is telegraphing that there is something in your hand when you are trying to convince people it is empty.

I hope this helps. I think about these things in weird terms (A lot borrowed from chemistry, specifically in this area) Sorry if it's confusing (stuff like energy states) So if anything isn't explained very well let me know and I'll explain it better.
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Looks good Zee.
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On Jul 5, 2015, Zee wrote:

When I am not performing magic, even when I am walking I usually have my left hand in that position for no reason. It is just one of my habit.



The real reason you do this is because you practice coin magic. Go watch people. They don't do this. Go to a coffee shop and people watch, especially when people transfer from hand to hand.


Hi, SmileAndNod, I really appreciate you share these valuable information with me Smile

I think everything you have said is true and I get it, and these might be other people's natural actions. I personally never drops my hand to my side nor have them in my pocket. Even if they are in my pocket they are in my jacket pocket. As a person who never drops his hand, dropping the hand might be considered "unnatural". As I said before, even when I am not doing anything, just standing on a line waiting for my shake-shack burgers I rarely drop my hands to my side. If I have my hands "naturally" hanging on my side but I keep my hands in front of my stomach for no reason when I do magic, then I might have to try to drop my hand during performances, but I think since "not dropping my hand" is my style, so dropping hands can be considered unnatural to me.


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Thank you Todd Smile
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Hi Zee, Welcome to the Café… Smile

Thanks for posting your work, nice pieces of handling here & there. Smile

You clearly have the moves down, and speaking of moves, there so much more down the journey of it all besides technically being able to perform the moves. There are so many subtleties to better understand and use properly. There's a real effort to becoming comfortable and appropriately confident. There's a way you come to feel as you do what you do. There many levels of understanding specs as they unwittingly respond to your every move, etc. You come to realize that learning how to do and or present a trick is about the least of it all. Smile

I have seen hundreds of young magicians that are quite capable of doing an effect (and some are amazingly gifted), but I always notice that there is still so much for them to learn in it all besides just the "doing" of it. It really is an interesting art, one that demands a journey from you, and unfolds right before your very eyes, if you're paying attention. Smile
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Hi Mb217, Thank you for welcoming to the Café Smile

And thank you for your kind words and I have a lot more to learn for sure. I love learning!!! Not in school though but still, I love learning something that I actually like Smile

And wow, your diction is quite poetic. Wish one day I can talk like that.
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Welcome to the Café. Zee Smile

I like the coin routine a lot your handling was very smooth. I would try to make it a little longer. Jest a suggestion go with a 3 fly routine in the beginning and end with the chinese coins.

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Thank you Paul Smile

Glad you realized this routine is oddly short and incomplete! It used to be one phase in my 4 minute competition act which I have abandoned because I am more interested in Mentalism than Magic. I was going to compete in IBM convention but I have decided to go to MINDvention instead Smile

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