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Nosslrak
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What the subject says. Start with a simple expanded coin, but other trick coins would be interesting to know the price for too.
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Can you be more specific? Your question reads like:

How much does it cost to make a car, and who makes them?
Start with a simple sedan, but other cars would be interesting to know the price for too.

Do you want a Chevrolet, Cadillac, or a Rolls Royce?

Are you looking for things made from quarters, half dollars, dollars, euros?
Copper coins, clad coins, silver coins?

Here's one place to start:

https://www.google.com/search?q=expanded......tbm=shop

Or are you asking how much it costs to make one yourself -- tooling, time, etc?
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Here's one place to start:

https://www.google.com/search?q=expanded......tbm=shop


Okay, that's offensive. I'm new to coin magic, not the internet. Smile

It's extremely difficult to find information about something if you know so little about a subject that you simply don't know what to search for. That's where I am.

See, where I live we have very small coins. Much smaller than the american ones. But we have older silver coins, big nice things from 50-100 years ago. You can't buy trick coins made of those in the local magic shops. So, you have to have them made. And that's my question. What does it cost to make trick coins?
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You mite Want To look on Todd Lassen's site! www.toddlassen.com
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Hi, Nosslrak. Every craftsmen has different price tags. If you cannot find gaffed coins made out of specific coins, then you might want to ask a craftsmen to make one for you.
Just, out of curiosity, what is the name of the silver coin you want to use?

If you are in Europe, I know Xaiver Belmont, Thierry, and Auke van Dokkum. Here is their websites.
http://www.xavierbelmont.com/

http://magikoins.com/en/index.html

http://cupsandballs.nl/

If you are in somewhere near US, then you might want to check out Todd Lassen, Jamie Schoolcraft, Bob Swadling, and Roy Kueppers.

http://www.toddlassen.com/

http://coingaffs.com/

http://www.jbtvusa.com/p0/bob-swadling-magic/99.htm

http://roykueppers.com/

If you are in Asia, I actually do not have any recommendations. I have seen a couple of craftsmen from China, but their works disappointed me. There is one good craftsmen in Korea; I do not know his actual name but I have seen some of his works and it was not bad. you can look up ML Craft on google.


(These are all of craftsmen I know, so please do not get offended if you I have not mentioned you...)


So, here is how to make custom coin gaffs. All you have to do is to email/call/somehow contact one of the craftsmen above and politely ask him to make one for you and he will estimate the cost.

Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions Smile

Zee
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On Jul 8, 2015, Nosslrak wrote:
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On Jul 8, 2015, inigmntoya wrote:
Here's one place to start:

https://www.google.com/search?q=expanded......tbm=shop


Okay, that's offensive. I'm new to coin magic, not the internet. Smile


And how would we know that???

I'm sorry you were offended, but there was nothing in the generic nature of your post that indicated you'd done any prior research.
The link provided returns prices for expanded shells from a variety of makers, and that's what you asked for.

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It's extremely difficult to find information about something if you know so little about a subject that you simply don't know what to search for. That's where I am.


It's also difficult to find information if you go around asking vague general questions and then bite the hand that tries to feed you.

If you really don't even know what to search for, then perhaps you should learn more about coin magic in general before rushing out to buy any gaffs.
They're tools that serve different purposes. Better to know if a band saw, circular saw, lathe, or router is what you need before buying one?
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You mite Want To look on Todd Lassen's site! www.toddlassen.com


Thank you!
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On Jul 9, 2015, Zee wrote:
Hi, Nosslrak. Every craftsmen has different price tags. If you cannot find gaffed coins made out of specific coins, then you might want to ask a craftsmen to make one for you.
Just, out of curiosity, what is the name of the silver coin you want to use?

If you are in Europe, I know Xaiver Belmont, Thierry, and Auke van Dokkum. Here is their websites.
http://www.xavierbelmont.com/

http://magikoins.com/en/index.html

http://cupsandballs.nl/

If you are in somewhere near US, then you might want to check out Todd Lassen, Jamie Schoolcraft, Bob Swadling, and Roy Kueppers.

http://www.toddlassen.com/

http://coingaffs.com/

http://www.jbtvusa.com/p0/bob-swadling-magic/99.htm

http://roykueppers.com/

If you are in Asia, I actually do not have any recommendations. I have seen a couple of craftsmen from China, but their works disappointed me. There is one good craftsmen in Korea; I do not know his actual name but I have seen some of his works and it was not bad. you can look up ML Craft on google.


(These are all of craftsmen I know, so please do not get offended if you I have not mentioned you...)


So, here is how to make custom coin gaffs. All you have to do is to email/call/somehow contact one of the craftsmen above and politely ask him to make one for you and he will estimate the cost.

Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions Smile

Zee


Great answer! Very much appreciated!

But... can you give me at least some price estimate? I hate to bother these people with my questions if I still won't be able to afford it...
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And how would we know that???


Because linking to Google Search like that is always offensive. I hope you don't do that often. It's very rude.

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I'm sorry you were offended, but there was nothing in the generic nature of your post that indicated you'd done any prior research.
The link provided returns prices for expanded shells from a variety of makers, and that's what you asked for.


Yeah, I'm not a native english speaker so my questions can be a bit difficult to understand sometimes. And on this forum you're unable to edit your question later...

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If you really don't even know what to search for, then perhaps you should learn more about coin magic in general before rushing out to buy any gaffs.
They're tools that serve different purposes. Better to know if a band saw, circular saw, lathe, or router is what you need before buying one?


Hence why I'm asking for a price here. If I can afford it, why should I not practise and learn with coins I will always use and that mean something special for me? I hope you don't take yourself that seriously that you think I should practise coin magic for years before I'm "worthy" of your advise. Smile
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Price depends on what kinds of gaffs you want and what types of coins you want to use. For instance, a [ set can be as inexpensive as 28 dollars, but it also can be 600+ dollars depends on what kind of coins you want and how you want to make it.

But since you seem like you are not sure about what kind of gaffs you want to get, I'm going to assume, without being offensive, you have not practiced basic sleights and have not studied coin magic in depth, so I would like to suggest you to learn basics and then get some gaffs. Gaffs won't do magic for you, it is just there to support your sleights and IMHO the primary purpose of gaffs is to make routines look cleaner. But if you haven't learn how to do routines with pure sleight of hands, gaffs might be overwhelming for you. It's like learning how to run without learning how to walk. These are just my options and you do not have to listen to me, but it's all for your good.

Here are some recommendations on books/DVDs. Metal series by Eirc Jones. Expert Coin Magic by David Roth(in both Book version and DVD version), and Modern Coin Magic by J.B. Bobo.

Zee
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Price depends on what kinds of gaffs you want and what types of coins you want to use. For instance, a [ set can be as inexpensive as 28 dollars, but it also can be 600+ dollars depends on what kind of coins you want and how you want to make it.

But since you seem like you are not sure about what kind of gaffs you want to get, I'm going to assume, without being offensive, you have not practiced basic sleights and have not studied coin magic in depth, so I would like to suggest you to learn basics and then get some gaffs. Gaffs won't do magic for you, it is just there to support your sleights and IMHO the primary purpose of gaffs is to make routines look cleaner. But if you haven't learn how to do routines with pure sleight of hands, gaffs might be overwhelming for you. It's like learning how to run without learning how to walk. These are just my options and you do not have to listen to me, but it's all for your good.

Here are some recommendations on books/DVDs. Metal series by Eirc Jones. Expert Coin Magic by David Roth(in both Book version and DVD version), and Modern Coin Magic by J.B. Bobo.

Zee


Tu Hao. But I agree with his recommendations.
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Hence why I'm asking for a price here. If I can afford it, why should I not practise and learn with coins I will always use and that mean something special for me?


No one said you shouldn't. But why should you practice a coin routine that holds no interest for you? Not all gaffs are suited to the same kinds of routines. My suggestion was to make a more informed decision.

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I hope you don't take yourself that seriously that you think I should practise coin magic for years before I'm "worthy" of your advise. Smile


I never said such a thing, and I'm "offended" that you made such an assumption.
Practicing manners with someone who was only trying to be helpful might suit you though.

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Most likely if you're wanting the special old silver coins, you'd have to supply them to the maker, whoever you choose..at least in the US. So you'd want coins that have a similar date and look/wear.
If you just want to start off with an expanded shell, you'd still want to send a number of the coins to make sure they all fit. Zee gave a lot of sources for the makers. Although if you do a search in the Café of Roy Kueppers, you will find a lot more unhappy customers than happy customers. You will most likely have a bit of a wait for them. No matter where you send the silver coins, you'd want insurance and signature.
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[quote] On Jul 9, 2015, Nosslrak wrote:

Because linking to Google Search like that is always offensive. I hope you don't do that often. It's very rude. [quote]
What???

The OP, Nosslrak, wrote: "It's extremely difficult to find information about something if you know so little about a subject that you simply don't know what to search for. That's where I am."

Specifically, what routines are you working on?
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Nosslrak, if you know so little about gaff coin, you can began to read and search in the MC!!! You have find the section in MC to question it so you can push more far and find the informations in others posts!
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Another good coin gaffer: Jérôme from BMC: http://balthazarmagic.over-blog.com/2015......ode.html
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Mr Tango will make various gaffs from most nay coins - y0u supply the coins. You would need only one for an Exp ], but three for a T.U.C.

Contact him for a quote when you know exactly what you want. He doesn't have a shopping list.

From previous posts I would guess between $50 and $100 per coin to have the work done.

If you want a Folding Coin any local jeweler can do that.

......

the responses above are meant to help == the greater question being why spend money for something if you do not need it?

"Want" is a different matter if you are a collector. There is a hidden suggestion that you will be bale to do better magic using coins familiar to locals.

What effects have you mastered so far? What has been the reaction to using "foreign coins? (other than local) In short, what do you see as the advantage of having these special gaffs?

The use of gaffs still requires mastery of various sleights such as P**ming and Ut*l*ty S*it*h

A gaff might make some effect easier, but do not make the "must be magic" result easier.
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Here is the leader in gimmicked coins, Johnson Products.

http://www.johnsonmagicproducts.com/shop/index.php

They have been making gimmicked coins for over 55 years. The very best and lifetime guarantee.
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On Jul 9, 2015, Nosslrak wrote:
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On Jul 9, 2015, inigmntoya wrote:
And how would we know that???


Because linking to Google Search like that is always offensive. I hope you don't do that often. It's very rude.

Quote:
I'm sorry you were offended, but there was nothing in the generic nature of your post that indicated you'd done any prior research.
The link provided returns prices for expanded shells from a variety of makers, and that's what you asked for.


Yeah, I'm not a native english speaker so my questions can be a bit difficult to understand sometimes. And on this forum you're unable to edit your question later...

Quote:
If you really don't even know what to search for, then perhaps you should learn more about coin magic in general before rushing out to buy any gaffs.
They're tools that serve different purposes. Better to know if a band saw, circular saw, lathe, or router is what you need before buying one?


Hence why I'm asking for a price here. If I can afford it, why should I not practise and learn with coins I will always use and that mean something special for me? I hope you don't take yourself that seriously that you think I should practise coin magic for years before I'm "worthy" of your advise. Smile


He was trying to help you dude. No need to be so rude.
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