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Lol I don't even know what a magnum opus is... Is it a gun? Smile
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Some people don't need much opportunity to try and show their self inflated worth I guess...speaking from an informed position is probably most sensible...
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On Sep 19, 2015, DrTodd wrote:
Sven: you approached me about the book and then approached Looch. You say that he approached you, which I believe is not actually what happened.



Todd,

What in the wide world is this, a reliability competition?

You are right in that I approached you to get an advice about the book, and I did, because I was certain that you would handle my enquiry with a certain amount of discression and confidentiality

What happens next?
It didn't take you long to run along and tip Looch about my interest
That really surprised me, because up to that point, I concidered you a person to trust.
However, I decided not to mention it at that time.

But it is interesting, this confirms again how the sales campaigns George mentions above, works here.
Not to be reprimanded again for not speaking the truth, - I never lie btw, you will find the complete dialogue below.

Again, I'm surprised!

30. juli 14:17
Hello Todd!

I noticed your heads up for Looch's new book today

Now, I hardly buy new material anymore, except for when Richard, Bob Cassidy, Bruce Bernstein and a couple of others write something.
What I have bought and/or read from contemporary writers, particularly the younger, English ones, is absolutely not my cup of tea.

When it comes to Looch, my view is somewhat different, he stands out from the rest of that group.
I have his video and SAD, and I like most of what I have seen there.

However, it seems like most of what he is doing, is walk around/close up.
I don't much of that, and am worried in case I should buy the book, that I would end up with a whole lot of such material.
95%of what I do is stage work

What is you opinion on this?

Another thing, Looch isn't that old, and I wonder if everything in his book is properly tested before real audiences?

I would really appreciate your opinion on this!

All the best!

Sven
He is doing corporate shows, publicity events etc. He has even working for mire than 10 years and older than you think

I would buy it if I were you[/]

30. juli 17:14

[i]Hi Sven
I hear your interested in TBP? If you have any questions please feel free and I'll be more than happy to discuss


Hi Looch
hehehe...I understand you have been talking with Todd?
Yes, I am concidering, but I have some questions.
Let me get back to you next week, I am a little busy right now

Take care

Sven

Yes Todd mentioned it to me! I look forward to hearing from you


2. august 16:01

Hi again
I really had some questions, but I have thought things over, and the conclusion is that I won't buy your book.

Sorry for that, but good luck with it.

Sven

2. august 17:37

Hi Sven, no problem...any particular reason why?
Looch,


I asked myself last night if I really believe that I would find better material and learn things in TBP than what I can find in my own collection

The answer?
It is difficult to say, I don't know what the book is about.
An overview would help, but I guess I already have what I need.

....but by all means, I'm sure the book is great!
I'll let you know if I should change my mind
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Sven

Why on earth are you publicising private messages between me and you?

I really don't appreciate that at all

Bad form
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Sven: you confirmed to me that you will buy the book, so I said to looch that he should expect an order from you, and nothing more. You have chosen not to buy, which is cool, but to dismiss it without having read it and suggest that looch approached you simply appears odd to me.

Perhaps we could focus on the quality of book as it stands.
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Sven

Why on earth are you publicising private messages between me and you?

I really don't appreciate that at all

Bad form


I have never done that before!
However, having been accused by Todd right out of the blue for not speaking the truth, I did this time.
Anyway, most of the dialog was by me, and positive what you concern, so I don't understand what you don't appreciate.

What are you afraid of?
That other people see that you email around in attempt to sell your book?
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Lol I don't even know what a magnum opus is... Is it a gun? Smile


As we all know Looch, it's an ice cream. Get your facts right, man! Smile
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That other people see that you email around in attempt to sell your book?


Wait, what? An author trying to sell his book? Whatever next? Perish the very thought!
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On Sep 19, 2015, DrTodd wrote:
Sven: you confirmed to me that you will buy the book, so I said to looch that he should expect an order from you, and nothing more. You have chosen not to buy, which is cool, but to dismiss it without having read it and suggest that looch approached you simply appears odd to me.

Perhaps we could focus on the quality of book as it stands.


At what point did I dismiss the book?
On the contrary, without having read other than SAD and watched the video of Looch's things, - but not this book, I told him that I am sure that it is a great book, - on that background.

And Looch DID approach me, not the opposite.
That should be very clear from the pasted in dialog.
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Sven: you are not being fair here, you are being very selective with your quotes,

Now, for exposure sake, I cannot repost your message to me, but I will paraphrase. You were worried that perhaps some of the material in his book relied on methods that would be unworkable for your style of performance. Since we have spent many years on Mentalist Sanctum together, I was very sensitive to how you perform and reassured you that the material in the book is very workable indeed. Since Looch has also been on the Sanctum, I sent him a note saying that you were interested.

The one thing I can quote since you are sharing, is this

Sven: 'Thanks again,. I will get it!'

This looks unequivocal to me. Contrary to your allegation, I am not hyping or selling. Rather I am a serious mentalist who was trying to help a serious mentalist who asked me about another serious mentalist's new book. Fair enough you don't want it, but to condemn it without having read it is simply absurd.
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What are you afraid of?
That other people see that you email around in attempt to sell your book?


You write as if I have been cold calling you!

A mutual friend tells me you want to buy the book so I get in contact to ask if you had any questions about it


What is your problem??
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What is your problem??


you didn't include a routine about a small monkey in a devil costume...
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So lets get this straight...

sven asks todd about the book
todd tells sven about the book
sven says he's going to buy the book
todd mentions to looch that sven will be buying the book
looch speaks to sven about buying the book and if he can help in any way
sven tells looch he doesn't want to buy the book
looch asks for feedback
sven then gets shirty about the definition of a magnum opus, which to my surprise is not the latin version of Magnum P.I.
sven then brought up T.A. Waters work for some kind of strange comparison, despite never having read Looch's The Black Project - in fact, it had NOTHING to do with the actual work, just some kind of oneupmanship over the usage of a term that Todd merely used in his description, and has nothing to do with the title of the book at all...

so if sven is an example of how a professional conducts himself whilst discussing other professional's work - then shame on him...ego is a terrible thing...
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On Sep 19, 2015, DrTodd wrote:
Sven: you are not being fair here, you are being very selective with your quotes,

Selective, because the rest of the coversation included other persons, of which it wasn't right to bring into this.)

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Now, for exposure sake, I cannot repost your message to me, but I will paraphrase. You were worried that perhaps some of the material in his book relied on methods that would be unworkable for your style of performance. Since we have spent many years on Mentalist Sanctum together, I was very sensitive to how you perform and reassured you that the material in the book is very workable indeed. Since Looch has also been on the Sanctum, I sent him a note saying that you were interested.


Absolutely.
And your point is?

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The one thing I can quote since you are sharing, is this

Sven: 'Thanks again,. I will get it!'


Of course you have my blessings for quoting this.
...and I changed my mind more or less before Looch's approach, and I was final on this two days after he did.
Is that a crime?

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Fair enough you don't want it, but to condemn it without having read it is simply absurd.


Todd,
Seriously, please stop doing this!
I have never, with one single word condemned the book and it's contents
I mentioned however.somewhere that MM&M goes for 65$, and I take it that I am free to do that.
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Correct but the selectivity omitted the fact that you declared you would buy the book, and hence my passing that good news onto Looch.

You cast doubt on it being a magnum opus without having read it...and then try to compare it to MMM, and I confirm that both should be considered as such relative to the people who wrote them...

Why can we not just focus on the quality of the book, the great feedback it is getting, and the community that is supportive of great work?
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On Sep 19, 2015, DrTodd wrote:

Why can we not just focus on the quality of the book, the great feedback it is getting, and the community that is supportive of great work?

Please do!
Don't let me disturb you.
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As a kid (hobbyist) talking to his parents (professional performers) I would like to say that this conversation isn't helping any of you....
This isn't about the book any more but about egos...

Bury the hatchet and move on guys.
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This appears to be the game: A promising new book comes out. Friends of the author praise it with the most extravagant term ever used in the Café in support of a new book. People who ask whether the extravagant term is warranted are attacked, and the term is reasserted, repeatedly. And, because "we say so," the rest of us are expected to believe the claim.

Let me clarify my only point with a different term. Asking whether a brand new book should, in fact, already be included in a field's "canon" is NOT an attack on the book, the author, or his friends.

I am moving on. I have no plans to return to this thread.

George
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Now THIS is an MAGNUM OPUS

"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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That's funny Dr Spektor.

Apart from some grousing about price, the thread in Penny counts more than 30 well known folks praising this. I really did not want to come off as hyperbolic, so have a read through the accolades here

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......tart=420

Best wishes

Todd
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