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Here's the game...

there is none...

its just someone who gave a book a review, that's all...nothing else...

just because someone has a thought about some kind of conspiracy, doesn't mean its true - no matter how loud they shout...

read the reviews, bite your tongue if you wish to be pedantic over a term used, and ask sensible logical questions if you have them, post reviews, talk, discuss - don't play games, be an adult - enjoy the fact that a very busy professional mentalist has shared something, he's there to answer fair questions, you'll get fair answers...job done...
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Iain:

Thanks so much for settling this.

George
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Okay, I have reread this thread and am somewhat chastened. I took the opportunity to consult an edition of the Oxford English Dictionary, and it featured two definitions of "magnum opus." The first definition refers to "a great and usually large work of art, literature, etc." The second refers to "the most important work" of a specific artist, writer, etc.

I now understand that Todd probably used the term in that second sense, and I now see that as more permissible than I did at first. One may, after all, refer to someone's project as HIS (or her) magnum opus--without declaring it the kind of "great work" that, in any case, only achieves a consensus over time. In over 40 years in higher education, I had honestly never heard the full term used merely in relation to a writer's best book to date; "opus" yes, "magnum opus" no. I now see that the full term is more permissible than I did a week ago. (I leave it to others to decide whether dictionaries should reflect how a term is actually used, or whether a community should adapt to what the dictionary says.)

But please also be open to where I understood myself to be coming from. It wasn't to quibble over a term or to cross swords with Todd or Atlas. I was reacting to the extravagant HYPE with which people in magic very often commend the products of their buddies. I probably misperceived this case as an example of that wider and deeper problem. We have all been burned by the problem; we bought a book, DVD, or effect that was flagrantly misrepresented by its endorsers. (I still reserve the right to dislike the practice when it IS occurring, and to call it by its right name, and I would welcome more company in advocating something like near-honesty in endorsements and reviews.)

George
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I think the words to look up next may be "sorry" and "apology"...😃

Honestly George, that minor point of a term used by Todd and Todd alone, was just a phrase that a) suited Todd b) made a lift play on words/joke...

And yet THAT is being discussed far more than Looch's work itself. If there is hype, then quote it..be constructive...i see none personally.

And yes, friends share stuff, talk, all kinds of stuff don't they..its called being human.

I've not got the book, and I've known Looch a while. I even contributed something to it, but as I say, that's what friends do isn't it.

So can we move on from the strange pedantic episode now please...
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Iain:

This should be the last exchange between us, ever, because we live, think, and communicate from very contrasting assumptions.

You assume a virtual papal infallibility in support of any and all of your perceptions, thoughts, assertions, claims, opinions.

I am very clear that I am NOT infallible.

George
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Really? cos you were absolutely certain you were right in your first few posts in this thread?! Smile
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And George, I don't say anything out of any "virtual papal infallibility", its just that I know myself well - and I am certain of my opinions because I spend a lot of time thinking and questioning them/it/myself...

in other words, I think before I speak...or make posts Smile
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Re: "I am certain of my opinions"

I rest my case.
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You must speak a different kind of English to me...
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Maybe there's a pattern here...

noun
1.
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.


2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal

I am certain of my personal views...
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On Sep 22, 2015, George Hunter wrote:
Okay, I have reread this thread and am somewhat chastened. I took the opportunity to consult an edition of the Oxford English Dictionary, and it featured two definitions of "magnum opus." The first definition refers to "a great and usually large work of art, literature, etc." The second refers to "the most important work" of a specific artist, writer, etc.

I now understand that Todd probably used the term in that second sense, and I now see that as more permissible than I did at first. One may, after all, refer to someone's project as HIS (or her) magnum opus--without declaring it the kind of "great work" that, in any case, only achieves a consensus over time. In over 40 years in higher education, I had honestly never heard the full term used merely in relation to a writer's best book to date; "opus" yes, "magnum opus" no. I now see that the full term is more permissible than I did a week ago. (I leave it to others to decide whether dictionaries should reflect how a term is actually used, or whether a community should adapt to what the dictionary says.)

But please also be open to where I understood myself to be coming from. It wasn't to quibble over a term or to cross swords with Todd or Atlas. I was reacting to the extravagant HYPE with which people in magic very often commend the products of their buddies. I probably misperceived this case as an example of that wider and deeper problem. We have all been burned by the problem; we bought a book, DVD, or effect that was flagrantly misrepresented by its endorsers. (I still reserve the right to dislike the practice when it IS occurring, and to call it by its right name, and I would welcome more company in advocating something like near-honesty in endorsements and reviews.)

George


Thanks George, very much appreciated.

Best wishes

Todd
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I've not read any of this post as I'm on the train on a night out. I've seen however what I read briefly on the flick past, lots of negative and off topic remarks.

I for one will get this and be objective. It's a rarity these days. I know Looch but have never met him in person, but love his ideas; thoughts and workings. I'm sure it will be a winner.

Anyway, I look forward to this one.

Simon
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On Sep 29, 2015, sjdavison wrote:
I've not read any of this post as I'm on the train on a night out. I've seen however what I read briefly on the flick past, lots of negative and off topic remarks.

I for one will get this and be objective. It's a rarity these days. I know Looch but have never met him in person, but love his ideas; thoughts and workings. I'm sure it will be a winner.

Anyway, I look forward to this one.

Simon


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Thanks for sharing your work Looch!

My experience with your previous works plus the recommendations from powerful performers and creators i.e. Dr. Todd Landman, Atlas Brookings, Marc Salem, etc. give a nod to informed, constructive views, criticisms and projections for The Black Project.

Let me know when my copy of The Black Project has posted. I'm eagerly awaiting the tracking number and to then dig in to the "real-world experience and astounding creativity" you have graciously chosen to share!

;-)
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