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The Great Zucchini Inner circle 1347 Posts |
I consider a kid's show a family show. The whole family is there, always.
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Gerry Walkowski Inner circle 1450 Posts |
Look at Chris Capehart!
His presentation of the magic book is just as funny to adults as it is for children. Gerry |
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sirbrad Inner circle PA 2096 Posts |
Yeah as I said magic is only limited by limited minds, limited skill, and limited imagination. Most stuff you can make work for any situation. Some stuff is naturally more easier to make work than others but the majority of the stuff you can do for anyone with the right presentation.
The great trouble with magicians is the fact that they believe when they have bought a certain trick or piece of apparatus, and know the method or procedure, that they are full-fledged mystifiers. -- Harry Houdini
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Starrpower Inner circle 4070 Posts |
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On Jul 14, 2015, The Great Zucchini wrote: I actually do make a distinction. For example, I worked family resorts for 20 years. I absolutely considered them "family" shows since they were not just for the children. I did mentalism effects, for example, which I would rarely do in a children's show. I would also have routines planned knowing that I would have grown men in the audience (such as helping with a rope tie). On the other hand, I consider libraries to be exclusively "children's" shows. While I know there will be some adults in attendance, I do not play to them at all. Although the adults certainly enjoy the show (more often than not they enjoy watching the kids being entertained), I intentionally stay away from effects that are not children's tricks, or routined for children's perspective. If I had to boild it down to a definition, I would say that a family show may have adults without children, while a children's show may have children with or without adults. |
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frankieacemagic Elite user 498 Posts |
Thanks again, everyone, for commenting And thanks for the PM suggestions Tommy. I bought a plate through arm illusion that I think the older kids will love.
I completely agree with you, Starrpower. I absolutely feel a distinction is necessary. If I arrived at a show and discovered that I somehow only brought children's props (Run Rabbit Run, Peekaboo Bunny, Comeback Bee, Hippity Hop Rabbits, Pop Pop Poof, coloring book, etc), it could ABSOLUTELY work. I've BEEN making it work. But I'm trying to keep those 9-14 year olds interested as well. As I mentioned (sorry for repeating myself), they love the chop cup, the sponge balls, the cut and restored rope. The minute I begin a routine like run rabbit or coloring book, they begin whispering--or worse, shouting out their "genius." And I remember being those kids. Being that age. But I never shouted!!! I just said to myself, "ooh, I get that. Clever." Or "I need to buy that " Anyway, I'm striving for the type of show you described, Starrpower. I had 2 larger shows recently. (Pics below) The first pic had older children in the audience, but there were SO many small children that I had no doubts about including all children's routines. But the second 2 pics were absolutely mixed ages. I skipped the "kiddy stuff" (please don't judge; you get my drift) and only went with effects that appeal to (roughly) 10 and up. http://s48.photobucket.com/user/frankiea......rt=1&o=2 http://s48.photobucket.com/user/frankiea......rt=1&o=1 http://s48.photobucket.com/user/frankiea......rt=1&o=0 You know, now that I think about it, maybe "family magic" wouldn't be the best forum title. It's not having adults in the audience that is sometimes problematic. Any audience with young children and lots of adults still gets my children's show. I love those shows and never have any nagging regrets as I leave the venue. It's those 9 and up skeptics. (Not all of them, of course). Maybe the forum would be called The Little Darlings and Older Skeptical "Darlings" I'm mostly kidding. My strolling magic is totally geared to ALL AGES. Chop cup, sponge balls, turbo stick, ambitious card (totally plays to little kids, especially when I force a blank card and they draw on it), Stand Up Monte (with monkey and banana cards), Mismade Bill, Extreme Burn. These appeal to all ages. I'm trying to duplicate this in my stand up shows. One more thing (thanks to all for reading this...long one): my last 3 months have averaged 28 shows. (My body is killing me) I swear. I have lots of shows. (Restaurant strolling marketing) So I promise I'm not some sad performer who needs an intervention. My wife is like "all your whining suggests you suck. You're doing 30ish shows a month! Shut up!" She's right. It's fine. But I'm plagued by (what I consider to be) potential improvements after every show. So...that's why I'm so whiny. My wife also points out that it's impossible for me to ever be satisfied. I can have a killer show, but then see 3 older kids whispering about my Multiplying Sponge Banana routine or pointing at my bucket hand during the Misers Dream, and I think, ugh. And it just GETS to me. Of course the d@mn banana trick isn't for you three 12 year old girls! Let it go. (Cue Frozen) Actually, I need to let it go Anyway, thanks for reading, friends! And for not judging. I'm just trying to get better every show |
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frankieacemagic Elite user 498 Posts |
That last post about the shows came off braggy. Sorry. That's not what I intended. I just know there are some people that will think, if this guy doesn't know what he's doing, why is he performing? I'm just trying to get better all the time.
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Starrpower Inner circle 4070 Posts |
I don't think you come off as "whining", and we all have something to learn. Please don't feel the need to explain why you post. The people who will judge us for asking questions are those who are arrogant and probably have nothing to offer, anyway. To paraphrase: "For those who understand, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation will suffice."
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frankieacemagic Elite user 498 Posts |
Thanks so much Starrpower. I really appreciate your kind words. I think those of us who perform a lot see all these different kinds of scenarios. It's just nice to see how other people handle them!
Btw, my plate through arm illusion came yesterday. This is pretty, isn't it???! I think this will kill the older kids in a family show http://s48.photobucket.com/user/frankiea......rt=1&o=1 http://s48.photobucket.com/user/frankiea......rt=1&o=0 |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I maybe be in the minority but I think if most kids show entertainers considered the "family" as part of the show to begin with, most kids shows would be far better.
Even if most/all of the adults are standing around in the back of the room, you have huge opportunities to make your show bigger, better and funnier. Performing to a mixed audience has many benefits. Why not take those opportunities? From my perspective this IS the family magic forum.
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The Great Zucchini Inner circle 1347 Posts |
I'm going to have to disagree, respectfully with Frank's statement. If I go to a bday party, and there are 30- 4 year olds in the room, then aiming for them is best, in my opinion. I have parents tell me all the time, that they were laughing as much as the kids, because done right, weather it's interviewing your volunteers, finding about their life, whatever, they say funny things. If I hear something to improv on, that would be funny to the adults, I say it, but the show is aimed to the age of the majority of the audience, and 'better' doesn't factor in. If you aim to 'everyone', you might think because the kids are still sitting there, they are engaged, but there is a difference between watching you wide eyed and bellylauging. If you're aiming for everyone, believe me, a 3 year old isn't getting as much as you think they are. It's just my opinion.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
TGZ, it sounds like you are taking advantage of improv'ing because of the adults. That is not far from what I'm talking about.
I don't bring adults up on stage unless it makes sense, but I will definitely use them throughout for various activities that are funnier using them, than NOT using them. some of those moments are absolutely PRICELESS! I hate to give away my own pet secrets so I'll beat around the bush.... My change bag routine sometimes ends finding a parents clothing in the change bag... and looking back at the parent, they were no longer wearing those clothes. There's not a chance in a million years you could do that with kids, nor would you want to, nor would it be as funny as a dad, standing there, missing his **********
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts |
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On Jul 21, 2015, Frank Starsini wrote: Hmmm... Diaper, Toupee, False teeth, bottle of booze... what could it be?
Jay Leslie
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