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So my observations on mr. Rubinstein's performance weren't so bad
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On Jul 13, 2015, Ferran Rizo wrote:
It usually takes 18 minutes to perform.


Wow. I guess the sound of the coins is what keeps them awake...

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On Jul 13, 2015, Ferran Rizo wrote:
It usually takes 18 minutes to perform.


Wow. I guess the sound of the coins is what keeps them awake...

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Did you see the routine to affirm that?
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Dick, looking forward to the book! Poof, that's a lot of coins. Are you doing it close up since you are using quarters? Funsway, I was going to use a cap in my own routine, but it was going to be a bit much for me to carry if I did a party or table hopping, so I abandoned the idea. I like the cap idea though! Ferran, sounds like that routine is the highlight of your act, would love to see a clip sometime! Smile, as I said I don't entirely agree, but that doesn't mean I disagree. Sometimes we do call unnessesary attention by artifical movements. My hand is down at the beginning because I am just waiting. But your observation certainly is something to consider, and I have noted other interesting observations from you in other posts.
I was hoping someone would mention David Ben's routine, as I am told he also does a version where the coins are placed into the hand instead of a pail. If anyone is familiar with this, and can tell me the source, that would be appreciated. Gotta admit though, I was surprised that not one positive comment came from the routine I put up. I wasn't fishing for compliments, but thought someone might have given a laugh or two.
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And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
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Michael, it is a great idea to place coins in the hand it gives a lovely and natural touch.
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I personally enjoy Teller's version for its inventiveness.
I would like to see someone doing the entire T. Nelson Downs version.
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I picked it all up with close up in mind. If I like it and it plays well I can get the better holdout/dropper for halves for about $30 and everything else could be used as is. May make the investment when I decide to do parlor type stuff.
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How many coins do you have to produce to be considered Misers Dream? Just wondering what the others here think.
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Bairefoot -- first we have to agree on whether a container making a noise is essential. I don't think coins to hand is MIsers Dream,
but others seem to feel that a succession of productions placed anywhere qualifies.

I feel that more than three is required to give the illusion of "endless number," but at least 10 is best. A small container might logically limit the number.
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I agree with Funsway here. The jingling of coins in a hand is not the same as the "clank" of a coin being thrown into a metal bucket and the "jangling" created by shaking a metal container containing coins.

Think about the name of the effect. A "miser's dream" is not to create a certain amount of coins. It is to create an "endless" amount of coins. There are coins here, there are coins there, there are coins everywhere!

Also, every performance of Miser's Dream I've seen involves one or more audience members, there being a lot of play between the performer and spectator(s) (see Al Flosso's performance).
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The effect of Miser's Dream is to convey the illusion that you can magically get coins from anywhere. As long as you can establish that effect in the minds of your audience, the number of coins doesn't matter. that's the difference between a three or four coin production, and Miser's Dream. In my own routine I dump coins into my pocket from my hand and continue. I feel I have established the effect. A bucket, especially if gimmicked, can prolong the routine, and the noise can enhance the routine, but doesn't define the routine. So a hand, a glass, a hat, a shoe, a pocket, whatever can be used if the magician is creative and has a reason to use the object he desires. He just needs to establish the effect that he can get coins magically whenever he want to. There is no rule, only opinion, so no one is wrong here.
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And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
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For an impromptu performance like Michael has done here, it seems natural to consider adding a Sylvester Pitch component, which is not only awesome, it could create an opportunity for a great 'final load' for a kicker ending.
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Ture Funsway.
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Anyone ever do a reverse MD? Using a Spiral Purse frequently shown empty one can produce a continuous supply of coins of various sizes and types --

either to create a pile on a plate, or stopping to perform an effect with a couple of the coins. No special palming required.

I'm not saying this should be considered MD, only a way to capitalize on the obvious appeal of the "endless supply" theme.

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On Jul 21, 2015, Michael Rubinstein wrote:
In my own routine I dump coins into my pocket from my hand and continue. I feel I have established the effect. [T]he noise [from a bucket] can enhance the routine, but doesn't define the routine. So a hand, a glass, a hat, a shoe, a pocket, whatever can be used if the magician is creative and has a reason to use the object he desires. He just needs to establish the effect that he can get coins magically whenever he want to.


I disagree with this statement. The noise produced from coins being tossed into a metal bucket does not "define" the routine, but is one of the factors that "makes" the routine. It is not the same as a hat, a shoe, a pocket. Why the louder noise of a metal bucket works better is indefinable (although the shaking of the coin-filled bucket may enhance the impression of a large amount of coins having been produced), as many things are. For instance, many laymen find sponge balls funny. They laugh when they open their hand and see an extra ball there. No one knows why they find this funny. It just is.

Also, the interplay between a spectator and the magician is important. Producing one coin after another is boring. Producing them from different parts of a spectator's body can be both magical and hilarious. Again, I refer to Al Flosso's performance, which can be seen on the Don Alan's Magic Ranch DVDs, but there are others (Capehart and McBride come to mind).

By the way, my criticism of your version of Miser's Dream has nothing to do with my admiration for your work. You are truly a great creator and teacher of coin magic.
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Ray, thank you for the kind words, and we can agree to disagree. Audio always enhances an effect, and in most Miser's Dream routines such as the great Flosso routine you mention (and I had the privilege of buying my Bobo book from Al), the sound of a bucket is important since the routine is done on stage. My routine, although can be used on stage or parlour, is designed for close up. I could easily have extended the routine, but I thought more one liners would not add anything more (and if you saw my last Penguin lecture or see the new one I will be doing, one liners are part of my shtick). I also thought about a multi coin finish, but discarded the idea because I didn't want to work with loads. This routine closes one of my sets. Audience participation can be a lot of fun, especially with kids, but as you can tell from the story that is not my focus group. This is a close up routine that can be done walk around, and doesn't need extensive props outside of the bling I carry in my pocket to use as an excuse to load up. I discarded the idea of using a baseball cap for the sole reason that I didn't want to carry it around, although I experimented with that as well. In my routine I produced 11 coins, which is more than enough to establish the effect. And by the way, I can use a bucket for my routine but choose not to because I don't think it enhances my effect and again, one more thing to carry around. So, as I said, we can agree to disagree. By the way, I am by no means the only guy to use my hand for the coins. I only know of the David Ben routine, but I am sure it has been done many times before.
Available at dealers EVERYWHERE - RUBINSTEIN COIN MAGIC- The biggest book on coin magic since Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, and the most important since David Roth's Expert Coin Magic! Hardbound, 500 pages, 20 chapters of state of the art coin magic illustrated with 930 crisp photos! A contribution chapter from over 20 of the world's top coin magicians! This will be the book against which all future books on coin magic will be measured! Already called a Modern Classic!!
And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
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I haven't said anything, partly because Mr. Kam more or less "told" me, a month or so ago, that I don't know much about using a coin pail.

I have only shared the "work" on what I do with the MD with two other magicians. One of them, a full time pro., told me, "You can't rehearse this!" (and, I agreed!)

Now, it's in the book. There is nothing technically difficult! Basically, I use a finger palm, five silver dollars, and an ungimmicked pail, plus, a bit of SHOWMANSHIP.

As a teenager, infatuated with sleights, I used a glass and Downs palm (both hands) for several years. The magicians in Ring 103 thought I was Tommy Downs reincarnated! (I think that they were especially impressed with the Five Coin Star (both hands), and the four coin Coin Roll.)

But,an agent, on a "try out" date, said, "If you can make 'em laugh, I'll get you work." I decided that I would like to work. I cut out the "artistry". (Watch me do this clever stuff!). I made 'em laugh! They've been laughing for about 63 years.

I have no quarrel with those magicians who prefer doing the classy stuff! (I remember Geoffrey Buckingham!)

I just know what works for me, and my audiences!
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If they're laughing, you are entertaining, and that's what it's all about!!
I thought about getting a bucket for my routine...its on my bucket list. My first time out doing the trick, I had to succeed, I knew I couldn't pail......I am sure my routine pails compared to Flosso's. Al should have changed his name to Dental, I told him that but he brushed it off....OK, I'm done...for now...' Smile
Available at dealers EVERYWHERE - RUBINSTEIN COIN MAGIC- The biggest book on coin magic since Bobo's Modern Coin Magic, and the most important since David Roth's Expert Coin Magic! Hardbound, 500 pages, 20 chapters of state of the art coin magic illustrated with 930 crisp photos! A contribution chapter from over 20 of the world's top coin magicians! This will be the book against which all future books on coin magic will be measured! Already called a Modern Classic!!
And if anyone (USA ONLY) needs some of the coin stuff used in the book, shoot me an email at rubinsteindvm@aol.com as I have some limited supplies of coins and props used in the book.
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I haven't said anything, partly because Mr. Kam more or less "told" me, a month or so ago, that I don't know much about using a coin pail.

I have only shared the "work" on what I do with the MD with two other magicians. One of them, a full time pro., told me, "You can't rehearse this!" (and, I agreed!)

Now, it's in the book. There is nothing technically difficult! Basically, I use a finger palm, five silver dollars, and an ungimmicked pail, plus, a bit of SHOWMANSHIP.

As a teenager, infatuated with sleights, I used a glass and Downs palm (both hands) for several years. The magicians in Ring 103 thought I was Tommy Downs reincarnated! (I think that they were especially impressed with the Five Coin Star (both hands), and the four coin Coin Roll.)

But,an agent, on a "try out" date, said, "If you can make 'em laugh, I'll get you work." I decided that I would like to work. I cut out the "artistry". (Watch me do this clever stuff!). I made 'em laugh! They've been laughing for about 63 years.

I have no quarrel with those magicians who prefer doing the classy stuff! (I remember Geoffrey Buckingham!)

I just know what works for me, and my audiences!


I've never seen so much humble bragging in one post...
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Well, Smile&Nod...Perhaps when you've been around for 'awhile', you may have something to be humble about!

At least I write under my own name. I don't hide behind a pseudonym.
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