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fengenroll
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Hi gang,

I've been curious about Hypnosis for a while, so I thought this would be the perfect place to start asking questions. But, my God, I was wrong!

After nine unanswered PM's I sent to you, guys, last week, my hope fades away.Still my curiosity gets even bigger, because it seems to be like a myth around it. No one wants to tell you much, no one wants to let you in on the path of learning it.

Is it like this or what?

Well, I have not studied psychology for nine years. I don't believe I have spiritual powers. Still you can place me in the same spot as all those who now do hypnosis. They had to start somewhere (and I'm standing on somewhere).

Please, guys, give me some slack. I'm just interested in learning more about it.

F. Smile
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I'll give you two words: search engine.
There are zillion messages concerning this subject.
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If you are new to this, I would suggest that the best sources to begin your journey would be the works of Ormond McGill and Milton Erickson. The former if stage hypnotism is what you are interested in and the latter for a broader, NLP style approach.
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Fengenroll,

If you are interested in Stage Hypnosis, then PM me your questions, and I'll be happy to respond.

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Check out "Patterns of the Hypnotic Techniques of Milton H Erickson, M.D" Volumes I and II (Bandler and Grinder). If you live in a university town, it'll most likely be in the local university library (at least it was in mine).
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If you are a visual learner, you might try tapes from Omni Hypnosis---http://www.omnihypnosis.com/videos.htm.

For me, hypnosis is something that is MUCH easier if you can actually see it being done. The tapes are a little corny, but very informative.
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I have a large bibliography on stage hypnosis as well as clinical hypnosis. If you would like me to email you a copy, PM me.

Warmly,

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Well, finally!!
Thank you very much guys.
Now I will try to use this helpful information, and
get hold of something to start studying.

But, one more question - how do you apply hyponsis into a smaller setting, is it possible do do it for groups of 4 - 5?
F.
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Yes if you define hypnosis as a form of suggestion!
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In answer to your last question, you can do hypnosis with any number of people. For stage hypnosis-type shows, however, the more the better. IMO it would be foolish to do a stage show with less than an audience of 20 people.

Part of the problem is that there are a lot of things which are collectively called hypnosis, primarily due to some sort of similarity in appearance. However, there are vast differences.

I would respectfully suggest taking a "weekend wonder" course. They're offered all over for a few hundred bucks, and even a lousy one will give you more information on hypnosis that most people have. Even so, what you'll learn is far different from stage hypnosis, although the skill you'll learn can be applied to stage hypnosis.

One last thing: James Cheung suggested that studying Erickson will give you a more NLPish understanding of hypnosis. In fact, the founders of NLP borrowed heavily from Erickson and turned his rather organic, right-brained style into a very linear, left-brained technology. When told that NLP had Ericksonian therapy in a nutshell, Erickson supposedly said, "Well, they may have the shell, but they missed the nut."
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The exact quote is: "Bandler and Grinder think they have me in a nut shell, but all they have is a nutshell."
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I just received 3 Milton Erickson download books today, and it seems really interesting.
I have to find my dictionary though, It's not exactly everyday english.
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A good way to learn hypnosis is to first put those fancy language patterns away. You don't need them and they only get in the way at the beginning. Just the presupposition that you are being hypnotised will induce trance. I remember many years ago being on a course and the trainer talked about a Hypnotherapist who once induced trance would then read a foriegn newspaper to his clients before awakening them. Apparently he still got good results.

Language patterns are powerful.........but you don't need them at the start - in fact they could hold you back. Learn to walk before you can run...
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Get the book They Call it Hypnosis by Robert Baker.
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Shrink, (and other interested parties),

I agree that for some newcomers to hypnosis, language patterns can be confusing (for that matter, hypnotising hypnotists can be confusing Smile ) --- BUT--- For me, and likely many others, it was language patterns that opened the door. I think it all depends on one's predilections and natural talents. My main business- my life in general, in fact, would be a far bleaker business without my conscious use of presuppositions (and a solid ethical foundation behind their use). In fact, it could be accurately said that I use hypnotic patterns in almost all of my communications, every day, most of which I am at least vaguely aware of as they pass my lips.

So... for those of you who are desiring to learn real hypnosis- Tranceformations, by Richard Bandler and John Grinder is a wonderful introduction. If you can find the audio tapes "Advanced Language Patterns" by Connirae Andreas, you'll have an excellent set of items to pick through and try out- if you are comfortable with with language and speaking to folks in general.

If you wish to apply these skills in a stage setting- learn the real stuff first- the stuff that has real-world application in your daily life, then learn the stage presentations. Doing stage with a solid underlayment of language patterns will give your presentations a much richer quality, and you can even use presuppositions to create a greater sense of effect in the audience...

Have fun!

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Xantos: Everyone uses hypnotic language naturally without realising. It learning how to structure it first of all consciously then unconsciously to influence, is what I know you are talking about. And yes its a great and powerful subject to study. And it expands the common idea of hypnosis.

However if you want to learn how to induce trance in the usual most common way for therapy or whatever. You will in my opinion do well to stay away from high level skill language (at first). The reason I say this is to understand trance induction in its most simplistic form is to learn "real" hypnosis as you stated. INMO strip it down to the most basic forms first.

Language can then be layered on to your skill set and understanding of trance. Many people who do this the other way around never realise the simplicity of inducing trance especially deep rapid trance.

NLP was primarily created through studying hypnosis. However many trainings teach NLP first then hypnosis later. I believe it should be the other way around...
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Pardon me - but shouldn't this thread be entitled the myth of conscious awareness?

Rex
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A few years ago I lost 35 lbs using a self hypnosis tape. I am a believer.
Self concept is destiny..
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Hi Rex, I knew if hypnosis was being discussed, you had to be sniffing around somewhere nearby! Smile

Dave
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