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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
We just visited the area Dan Cooper supposedly parachuted into. They have never found a chute or a body. About $5,000 was washed up on shore of the $200,000. None of the rest was ever found/spent..... The rumor is he didn't even jump. After 44 years and no one can figure this out?
It makes sense as a false flag.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
And of course you'll give more credence to rumors than facts. There's no question that he jumped from the plane, and no evidence whatsoever to support your "false flag" speculation:
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After takeoff Cooper told Mucklow to join the rest of the crew in the cockpit and remain there with the door closed. As she complied, Mucklow observed Cooper tying something around his waist.[32] At approximately 8:00 pm a warning light flashed in the cockpit, indicating that the aft airstair apparatus had been activated. The crew's offer of assistance via the aircraft's intercom system was curtly refused.[32] The crew soon noticed a subjective change of air pressure, indicating that the aft door was open. You can read everything about the case here (which includes 189 footnotes to original sources, police reports, FBI reports etc.): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._B._Cooper#Back_in_the_air But I have to ask- what do you think "false flag" means? |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Bob ... I'll ask you this first, then I'll answer .... What happened AFTER this incidence? Tell me about the beginning of restrictions on flight.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Jul 23, 2015, Slim King wrote: So . . . you asked your question. Now . . . where's your answer to Bob's question? |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
From Bob's link ...
"The Cooper hijacking marked the beginning of the end for unfettered and unscrutinized airline travel" I'm with this one so far ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
"False flag" operations refer to overt or covert military actions carried out by one government posing as another or as a terrorist group. The term originated in the days when warships would fly false flags to deceive their enemies. I assume that you're stretching this definition to imply that "DB Cooper" was not a hijacker at all, but a government agent.
The Cooper incident was, plain and simple, a domestic airline hijacking that could have been prevented had there been adequate airport screening of passengers. THAT'S why such measure were finally adopted, NEARLY TWO YEARS afterwards. (see below) No conspiracy theories, rumors, or speculation on false flag operations required. The only fact that remains unknown in the case is "Cooper's" identity. What credible evidence do you have that Cooper didn't jump from the plane, despite the facts that he was no longer on the plane when it landed and parachute remnants and cash were later found on the ground? Next, what credible evidence do you have to support the notion that the hijacking was a "false flag" operation or that Cooper was an agent for a government entity? Note also that the Cooper hijacking DID NOT directly precede the implementation of federal airport security measures. The following facts pretty much destroy your latest conspiracy theory. Quote: http://listverse.com/2012/10/27/top-10-u......sixties/
Note that the Cooper hijacking took place on November 24, 1971- over a year BEFORE the first federally mandated security measures went into effect. And, as you'll discover if you read the complete article cited above, quite a few "Cooper imitator" hijackings took place in the year (1972) following that event - also BEFORE federally mandated security measures were introduced. From the above cited article: Quote:
By mid-1972 the DB Cooper copy cat hijack craze was in full swing across the USA. In the ninth copycat-hijacking attempt, Martin J. McNally under the pseudonym of Robert W. Wilson, hijacked a St. Louis, Missouri to Tulsa Oklahoma American Airlines Flight 119. McNally demanded $502,500 (picking up on Trapnell’s idea to ask for non-even amounts of cash). McNally forced the pilots to fly the plane back and forth between Tulsa and St. Louis while authorities counted out the $502,500. So were those nine Cooper copycat hijackings, that took place before the new federal laws, also "false flag" operations? |
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
Mr Trump will know - surprised he hasn't mentioned it yet.
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Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 749 Posts |
He's drawing up policy on the hoof as you speak.
What do we want?
A cure for tourettes! When do we want it? C*nt! |
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1337 Posts |
On the bright side, I now know what a "false flag" is...thanks for the definition Bob!
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Re the false flag thing: Normally the term refers to nations or terrorists deceptively flying the flag of a nation not their own. DB Cooper, though, was neither a nation nor a terrorist. From all indications, he was clearly an American and his hijacking was strictly for profit- therefore, NOT terrorism. He basically held an airplane hostage to collect a ransom. There appears to have been nothing political about his crime and terrorism, by definition, is a political or ideological act designed to create fear and terror. Cooper was actually quite polite, and was only in it for the money.
(Whenever I think of false flag operations I picture a pirate ship flying a friendly flag that approaches a friendly ship- only hoisting the Jolly Roger when it commences its attack.) |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Seriously why do you guys feed the troll?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
It gets boring on the bridge so we throw a few foodscraps in the water occasionally.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Bob is not 100% correct by erecting his straw man definition of False Flag. That's easy enough to see.
Yes Bob ... Copycats.. Just like the guy today I assume. When the media reports something again and again as Jim Callahan was fond of pointing out ... People become copycats.... Psychologically drawn into it. Dan Cooper made it appear so easy that a dozen others attempted it and were all caught. But why not Dan? It was so easy to catch the rest but after over 4 decades we are still in the dark. Not a clue. And the powers that be got the laws they wanted restricting our movement in the USA and around the world. http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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Intrepid Inner circle Silver Spring, MD 1179 Posts |
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On Jul 24, 2015, Destiny wrote: Lol... You make a valid point Destiny.
Bob
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1337 Posts |
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On Jul 24, 2015, Destiny wrote: I gave up throwing scraps. Now I just stand on the bridge and take the occasional whiz over the railing...
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Jul 24, 2015, Slim King wrote: You seem to have a fascination with the term straw man; you seem to see them everywhere. You referred to Cooper's actions as employing a false flag; Bob pointed out that nothing Cooper did remotely resembles a false flag. Once again, you were wrong, and, instead of manning up (your phrase) and admitting it, you attach someone else's legitimate post. Pitiable. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
He had some bottle anyway but no one knows. It could be a red herring or he accidentally dropped some or he is dead or whatever.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Jul 23, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: It pains me to side with Slim in any way but ... False flag operations also include nations deceiving or attacking its own citizens in order to 'justify' actions its citizens may not otherwise support. Examples like these: http://www.globalresearch.ca/53-admitted....../5432931 There are several examples there of non-terrorist individuals acting on behalf of their governments. E.g., (45) and (46) among others. I think the false flag idea with DB Cooper is that he was acting as an agent of the government in order to promote an imposition of heightened security restrictions on travel etc.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I realize that's what Dave was getting at. Unfortunately, there is no evidence to suggest that was the case. In fact, as I pointed out, the heightened security restrictions weren't even put into a place until over a year after the Cooper incident and that was after there were nine copycat hijackings, all carried out by common criminals acting on their own and not in concert with any nation or terrorist group.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Jul 24, 2015, balducci wrote: Any opinion on whether he was? I'm . . . skeptical. |
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