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Lucien Astor Special user Sunken R'lyeh 661 Posts |
I've been reading Tarot for years. I don't believe there is anything supernatural about them, nor do I claim to be psychic. Personally, I could never understand the animosity I sometimes find on the Magic Café for 'Readers'....
...until today. I joined an organization for 'professional' tarot readers the other day. One individual in a thread was asking advice on whether she should do a private reading for another person, because: Her diagnostic spread for this person, without them being there or telling her anything, 'revealed' that their partner was having an affair. She was uncomfortable having to tell them. WTF! She discovered this from interpreting pictures on pasteboards, and is considering ruining someones relationship? I felt compelled to mention that I thought it would be dangerous and unethical to even consider saying anything. Dozens of people, Professional Readers, jumped in telling me how they have predicted everything from infidelities, to divorces and even DEATH. All based on an intuited interpretation of random patterns of gaming cards. Double WTF. I have to come up for air. The only other 'readers' I have shared & associated with are the sane & lucid types who populate these, and similar, forums; open-eyes and wink-eyes (to quote the brilliant Philemon). Thanks guys, you kept me insulated from the crazy for a long time. I really appreciate it. |
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Balaram Special user 904 Posts |
This may not be the group for you Lucien.
Life is short enough, no need to waste time banging your head on the wall! |
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Wizard of Oz Inner circle Most people wish I didn't have 5150 Posts |
My naivete regarding Tarot, palm reading, fortune telling...has kept me from having readings done on me. I have enough belief in the reality of the subject matter, that I fear sitting down, having a palm reader look at my hand, and begin to sweat. Then asking me if I have all of my affairs in order.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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RCP Inner circle Two Minnie's in The Hell's Half Acre, The Republic of Texas 2183 Posts |
And readers have a bad name.............
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Tim Dowd Special user ...Making the Magic Happen! 942 Posts |
I am a pros tetute... I do a comedy magic show supporting a drag queen in a late night bar in Tenerife for holiday makers. The barmaid is a shuteye. And she accused me of being in league with the devil... I told her "I'm not in that league"
But, leaving last time... I turned to her and put my deepest voice on and said... "I'll see you in your dreams...!" Can't wait to see what happens on Wednesday...
Timothy Dowd
...Making the Magic Happen! http://www.timothydowd.com These are my points of view; I accept no responsibility for your interpretation of what I just said... |
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reese Inner circle of Hell 1332 Posts |
I am of the minority opinion that if you're doing a reading for real ( not within the context of a magic effect, etc.) You are free to tell what the cards say. Cards tell stories.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
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On Aug 1, 2015, reese wrote: really? no matter what the consequences?
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RCP Inner circle Two Minnie's in The Hell's Half Acre, The Republic of Texas 2183 Posts |
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On Aug 2, 2015, IAIN wrote: pieces of cardboard turned over in a random manner never lie........ |
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
Cards do not tell stories unless they are sentient and can speak for themselves
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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reese Inner circle of Hell 1332 Posts |
That's not quite what I mean. Sometimes what the cards indicate isn't all sweetness and light is all. There are boundaries too I don't cross. But if, say, the cards indicate that the relationship you're in has toxic elements to it; do you say that? Or do you sugarcoat it?
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MatCult Inner circle 1518 Posts |
I don't think there's any single fixed story per combination of cards. For me, an oracle makes suggestions, throws imagery together. It doesn't make definitive statements.
There's no three card spread that means 'he's having an affair' or 'you will eat a bad sandwich on Tuesday'. It really doesn't work like that. In my universe at least.
"Disbelief in magic can force a poor soul into believing in government and business."
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Darkness Inner circle 1626 Posts |
Exactly Mat. So what you are saying is you can't give me lottery numbers?
"I joined an organization for 'professional' tarot readers the other day." And they also use the term "professional" very loosley....
THE SUPERNATURAL ILLUSIONIST & EFFECTS CREATOR WWW.MRDARKNESS.COM
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
Profession organizations have standards of practice and create colleges that do quality control and make sure the members keep up to them.... I think.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/professional 3 readers can look at the same cards and have 3 different interps..... also, anyone trained in therapy knows the dangers of just saying whatever you want vs. really understanding where the person you are working with is at... i.e. the blend over from entertainment to therapy is often a murky and dangerous zone for readers IMHO I do my readings ala Roschach test and I pretty much let a sitter come up with their own interp. via some reflection techniques - hence, I don't actually give any advice or see state anything beyond what the sitter puts forth. Way safer that way IMHO
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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Stoltz Veteran user 400 Posts |
I once gave a reading that indicated (As one of a myriad possibilities) some future transient failure or obstacle, involving something physical or potentially mechanical. Next week their car broke down (Don't worry it was exciting for them)... But if it hadn't been the car, I believe other occurrences would've filled the gap.
I think if you provide many possible interpretations, sitters will tend to pick their favorites. They will sometimes try to direct a reading if you don't know how to control it. Those times adultery comes into your reading, might occur when a troubled sitter is looking to make certain connections and you allow it. If you are just going down any rabbit hole the sitter likes, you might consider how seriously they might be taking your reading. The more serious the subject, the more likely they have some vested interest in the answer. There is no adultery card that I'm aware of. However, seeing the lovers inverted and sandwiched between the tower and death looks a certain way to some people. Especially if the question they're really wondering about is someone's fidelity. Sure a reader can suggest what those images might mean, but if you don't know your sitters mental state, you can have a hard time knowing what keywords to avoid. It took me a while to understand that sitters will give me far too much authority if I let them. As I see it, you should only give advice you would deliver under ordinary circumstances. If you don't normally feel qualified delivering medical advice, you still shouldn't when they ask because you're wearing scrubs for Halloween. Try not to accidentally impersonate someone your sitter is giving too much authority. |
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts |
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On Aug 2, 2015, Stoltz wrote: the 3 readers pass the eyeball to see amongst them (mythology meme) reader one "You have read the Kama Sutra combined with Goth BDSM fun in a tower dressed in skeletal gear!" reader two "You need a little blue pill to raise the tower or else it will stay dead" reader three "Hmmm... shuffle the pack and take another 3 cards.... these suck!"
"They are lean and athirst!!!!"
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Darkness Inner circle 1626 Posts |
But you may be able to say you will meet someone at the bar tonight (who's married) that you are attracted to, that's something they can make happen, assuming you knew they were going out to a bar. I'm half kidding but that is an example of an application that doesn't go too far. Adultery is such a touchy subject with most people. Many have either done it (and feel guilty) or had a girlfrend/boyfriend fool around on them and it pretty serious either way. There are many topic off the table for discussion and maybe that would make for a good thread topic?
THE SUPERNATURAL ILLUSIONIST & EFFECTS CREATOR WWW.MRDARKNESS.COM
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RCP Inner circle Two Minnie's in The Hell's Half Acre, The Republic of Texas 2183 Posts |
"Also, anyone trained in therapy knows the dangers of just saying whatever you want vs. really understanding where the person you are working with is at... i.e. the blend over from entertainment to therapy is often a murky and dangerous zone for readers "
BINGO..... do no harm.... |
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RCP Inner circle Two Minnie's in The Hell's Half Acre, The Republic of Texas 2183 Posts |
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On Aug 2, 2015, Dr Spektor wrote: Put somewhat more bluntly the "cards" say whatever the reader wants them to say......all the readers baggage, motives and prejudice.....power over others.....what an intoxicant for a narcissist |
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Bill Cushman Inner circle Florida 2876 Posts |
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On Aug 2, 2015, RCP wrote: Absolutely. And it holds true to a certain extent for everyone. Which is one of the reasons therapists of many schools are trained to take this into account. That's just good practice with any client as well as a serving as a valuable tool to understanding the person you are working with. I've considered writing about how the latter point can be used in readings but I fear it being abused. If our baggage gets really heavy, the ethical therapist is trained to seek supervision. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Its why about 85% of all readers, shouldn't give readings...
Its also why I personally believe we need to move away from the mystical dressing we tend to give during a straight reading, make it look and feel as honest as possible - because people still find it fascinating... I am thinking of writing up a few pages on how and why we give readings, and share what I personally believe readings need to be...
I've asked to be banned
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