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Zephury Elite user Hollywood, FL 488 Posts |
I'm just wondering what you guys think of the inertia pass?
I'm considering purchasing Sylvester's DVD. I understand it takes a lot of practice but once that practice is down, is it practical? Could anyone let me know what drawbacks it might have? Ideally, I want to do a table side routine with it while tabling hopping. I hear it's virtually angle proof. Is it feasible? Has anyone had any experience with it? Watching Sylvester perform this is MIND BOGGLING. I CANNOT believe that this still isn't spoken about frequently. It's so difficult for me to wrap my head around the productions, it seems like real magic to me. I would imagine there has to be some drawback to the move otherwise I don't understand why people wouldn't still be actively practicing the move? Have people just laid low with it and kept it a secret? To me it seems to have some of the most powerful potential on magicians and laymen. If you really could do magic with money, you'd produce it from thin air just like Sylvester does. Just keep in mind I want to do this table side, without a loud pale... So that's why I'm not doing the Miser's Dream. Any thoughts about this would be greatly appreciated. I guess I just need someone to push me over the edge in to buying it. Thanks, Harley Salas |
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cperkins Special user 700 Posts |
Without doubt, the most stunning magical effect with SOH I've ever seen...and it lends itself perfectly with the use of coins.
There are variations or should I say, various "pitches"out there. Charlie Justice teaches a muscle pass pitch and Marion has perfected his own "quick pitch." Perhaps Marion will respond to this thread or PM him - he's all about supporting other magicians. cp
To see a difficult thing lightly handled gives the impression of the impossible.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
I agree with cp here, "Without a doubt, the most magical effect with SOH I've ever seen."
I have written about the Sylvester Pitch here ever since I learned it and made it a part of what I do. I use my humble little variation of it every day. It is the most dynamic move I've ever used, and I've used a couple of variations of it in a few coin effects to stunning results. I learned his routine first, but didn't see myself playing it out as he does. No one is Sylvester The Jester, IMHO, the guy is one of a kind…A somewhat mad and zany genius, if you will. His use of this move is as you see it, "Uncanny and Awe-striking!" I have often wondered too why the move isn't practiced more by people, as it is a marvel to behold. But it takes some work to get down well as he does it, and perhaps that's what stopped people from more greatly pursuing it. It would definitely be an "Advanced" move to learn and use. All I know is that from the time I first saw him do it, I was hooked and just had to learn this. I have only know one magician that actually used his routine as you see it, and I learned a bit of it from him, and of course the old Sylvester Pitch '98 VHS/DVD. It is an intricate piece of work that takes some good practice to accurately deliver the work impromptu. I played with it a bit and began to incorporate the pitch part into the things I do. I made a slight variation on it so that I could use the move more "everyday-ish" on the spot. That people can't see it, right up close, is a testament to the basic move. I call my take, The Quick Pitch" again, a slight variation on Sylvester's take. I once contacted him about it as I was going my own way with it, and we communicated a little on it. I would suggest you get the DVD, as to me this is sorta-like required reading as to coin magic, and any magic really. Sylvester is able to do so many different things off this move it's incredible. Just the explanation of the Pitch is worth the price of admission IMHO. He has other things on there are also worthwhile, and he shows how the pitch can be used even in classical effects. With that, his take on Coins Across is second to none using this thing. He goes over his history with it, evolution and development of the tricky move. His ability with this thing is just a marvel of magical engineering, and I can't think of anyone's usage of any move that compares. Maybe Mickey Silver's work with his stunning use of the SUV. There is a unique pinky usage by our Doc Rubinstein's French magician friend that is quite interesting too, but nothing is as dynamically amazing as the Sylvester Pitch. It is highly recommended, and then some. Magician and magic creator, Brian Platt (Platt Magic) here is also a big fan, and developed some of his wonderful magic off of Sylvester's work. Not sure how it would play into what you're doing Z, but I will say it is more than worth learning and having an honored place in your bag tricks. And that goes for anybody because It really is that good of a move - Certainly one of the very best!
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Zephury Elite user Hollywood, FL 488 Posts |
Thanks for the replies.
Mb, what do you mean by "not sure how it would play into what you're doing." Are you implying that it can't be done table hopping or really close-up? |
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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts |
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C'mon man. The Sylvester Pitch is OLD. The guy who demonstrates it on the DVD isn't a hip cool guy with tattooed nosehairs. The video doesn't keep breaking into solarized B&W at random moments. It doesn't even have specs shrieking and yelling "OMG OMG!!!" How could it possibly be any good? Save your money and wait for the latest MOST AMAZING THING EVER, coming to your inbox from Penguin daily. |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
First, let me correct something…I meant to say,
"...There is also a unique "pinky" usage by wonderful "Italian coin magician, Giacomo Bertini" that is quite dynamically stealth too." No, I didn't mean to imply that it couldn't be done table hopping or really close-up, as I do it really close-up all the time (or at least my small variation of it) as I move about here & there. I was just thinking you might've been sitting down or something you said about The Misers Dream…Wasn't sure about that or perhaps I just misunderstood reading quickly through your post. Other than that, it is tremendously versatile. Like I said, I use my little take on it every day and it is imperceptible…Just a brilliant move woven into some of the things I do. All thanks to Sylvester The Jester.
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Zephury Elite user Hollywood, FL 488 Posts |
Cheesewrestler, I don't appreciate your sarcasm and immaturity.
Mb, thanks for clarifying on that. No, I would not be sitting. What I mean is that I'd like to do a miser's dream sort of effect without a pail or anything of the sort. Being that it'll be used in restaurants, I definitely don't want that loud ringing noise as each coin is produces and dropped. I'd like to do something similar to what Sylvester does in his castle act. All in all, it sounds great and I'm going to go for it. Are there other sources out there where I can learn these different takes, or are they just things that people have kept to themselves? |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
There are a few people that have used it, even taught it (like Gregory Wilson,etc.) but it's not like Sylvester. Brian Platt's take called "The Fanning Pitch" is pretty clever too, but better to get it straight from the horses mouth on this one…As that horse is still out there running strong and admittedly the very best horse in the race as to this still after all these years, IMHO.
Good journey!
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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts |
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On Aug 5, 2015, Zephury wrote: I regret that you are unable to appreciate what are in fact two of my more admirable traits. Also that you couldn't figure out that the post was not aimed at you. |
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Zephury Elite user Hollywood, FL 488 Posts |
Thank you very much for your attentiveness, Mb. I purchased Sylvester's DVD.
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Zephury Elite user Hollywood, FL 488 Posts |
Cheese, it implies so when you directly quote me above. Regardless of who it was towards, every post in this topic seems to have been quite respectful and was exactly what I had been trying to get out of it. I don't think there was any need for sarcasm in such a way. I could be wrong as what I'm saying is opinionated but I view what you were saying as quite rude. If you didn't mean to make anyone feel insulted then I sincerely apologize, perhaps I read this the wrong way.
From my personal "take" on what you said... You described sort of how Jarek120's videos, or one of Ellusionist's videos are portrayed. Those are things I strongly dislike for the image that they give magic. Me being a younger magician am often accused stereo-typically as one of those young magicians who buys all the newest DVD's just because some guy with tattoos produces them. That is not the case for me. I have a strong respect for magic and I spend my time learning about it's history. I do my best to remain humble and as respectful as I can be. Maybe you'll understand where I'm coming from and see why I might have felt the way I responded. |
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ZachDavenport Inner circle Last time I posted I had one less than 1196 Posts |
He was making a joke about how the magic business works these days, he was not insulting you. (Or at least that's how I read it)
Reality is a real killjoy.
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
I have Sylvester's DVD and have watched it a few times - and I apparently need to watch it more than a few times more! I admittedly have not practiced the pitch nearly enough to make it useful for me. If and when I decide to devote more time to it, I will have to devote a heck of a lot of time! It's not a move that you pick up easily in my opinion. Some sleights feel uncomfortable and foreign when you start practicing them and then - almost suddenly - they start popping magically. (E.g., fingertip muscle pass worked like that for me - all of a sudden after much practice with dismal results, my FT MP started going like it was simple). The Sylvester Pitch hasn’t quite worked like that for me. As I said it will take a lot more dedicated practice for me than most sleights apparently.
Good luck with it! Jim |
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cheesewrestler Inner circle Chicago 1157 Posts |
Cheers, Zach!
I will be at the Grapes this evening between 6:30 and just a few minutes ago. Identify yourself and I will buy you a pint. (You will recognize me because I will be the cruel-looking geezer in the corner plotting ways to slag off Today's Young People.) |
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Ado Inner circle New York City 1033 Posts |
Got hold of the VCR tape. I use the inertia pass every now and then.
However, I think that he over uses it. His magic castle video is just an example of how not to use it: 10 minutes non stop. Do it once, maybe twice, and stop there. Otherwise, you're doomed to be caught or to have people "know": he's the proof... P! |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
I agree, the move should not be over-used. I use my little variation of it as a utility move, not as the effect itself (like many people love to do with a Retention Pass). Though, from watching that Magic Castle act, it also shows how deceptive the move is right out in front of an audience of people. Remarkably it's done over and over there and they see nothing but magic, enjoying every zany twist & turn it seems.
I have seen Sylvester do shows that are much longer and to much larger audiences where he sadly didn't even do coin tricks. But you should be able to see the magical engineering of all this as well, his hundreds and hundreds of audiences all over the world, all these many years now proves the greater deception of it all.
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Stperformer Loyal user 291 Posts |
Ditto most of whats been said.
Just want to add it took me a good YEAR or so to get the sleight down pat (mastered? lol) You just have to keep at it and eventually you'll acquire the knack. Totally worth it. AS for usage.....I perform on the street ala Busker, and use it to continually pull coins out of kids ears. That alone makes it GOLD for a worker. Can't beat it |
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cperkins Special user 700 Posts |
So the Inertia Pass or Sylvester Pitch is a specie of changeover palm. Great for a continuous production of coins from nothing (specs like this)...clearly put one away in your pocket and grab another and so on. Or, as a changeover to show your hands empty when the "sell" is that there is only one coin in play as a spellbound routine might require...pitch to the hand holding the changed coin and then you're able handle it also in the opposite hand.
Learn Marion's "Quick Pitch" where it becomes a wonderful utility move. In Sylvester's hands, I've never seen an individual SOH produce such astounding effects. All with NO GIMMICKS!!!!!!
To see a difficult thing lightly handled gives the impression of the impossible.
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Zephury Elite user Hollywood, FL 488 Posts |
Where can I learn the quick pitch? Marion, I looked on Vinny's websites where a lot of your things are for sale and didn't see anything.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
I have written/explained about The Quick Pitch in a few of my works over the years now, always as a utility move and with direct reference to Sylvester as its basis. That said, I think I last wrote of it in my Redux download.
My variation is slight, but does allow you to more so use it on the spot without all the fanfare of the original technique, as I do in a lot of things. Once you reach precision with it, it's like a maze that specs don't even know they are in and can't figure out. It's like seeing the impossibility behind using a gaff, only (like cp said) you're not using one. It really is that slick.
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