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suspectacts Elite user Boston 493 Posts |
When did everyone forgive him? Whatever happened between him and Randy? I am SO out of it.
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truman Special user 635 Posts |
I think it was shortly after Geller changed his name to geller and Randi changed his name to Randy.
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browneyed Regular user I could've sworn I had more than 104 Posts |
I don't think anybody ever forgave him. It's just that somehow his career didn't collapse after everything that was revealed about him. So many people believed in him that there was really nothing you could do to change their minds. That being said, he's one of the least corrupt psychics I've ever seen, even if he is still misleading people, so I wouldn't find it that hard to forgive him. Randi accomplished what he set out to do. Nowadays if you go anywhere and claim psychic abilities, numerous people will "debunk" you by saying "Well then why don't you take Randi's Million Dollar Challenge?". I think that after 2 or 3 lawsuits and blatantly published book, it's time to let things go.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Aug 10, 2015, truman wrote: And people wonder why Penny has a reputation for being a nasty place. |
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Jerskin Inner circle 2497 Posts |
I was able to speak with the director of the recent Randi documentary after a screening in L.A. and he said Geller insisted in being in it.
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truman Special user 635 Posts |
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On Aug 10, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: I apologize. No nastiness intended. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On Aug 10, 2015, browneyed wrote: They will never allow anyone to actually take the test. It's a fraud ...but you already know that right? BTW ... Uri WON the lawsuits
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
That's not exactly true. Uri also lost some of the lawsuits and others were settled. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Geller#Litigation
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truman Special user 635 Posts |
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On Aug 10, 2015, Slim King wrote: Here's footage of several candidates taking the test: |
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the Sponge Inner circle Atlanta 2771 Posts |
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On Aug 10, 2015, Jerskin wrote: I think that's more than fair, considering if not for Geller, "Randi who?" |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On Aug 10, 2015, truman wrote: To be fair, what this video shows are candidates taking PRELIMINARY tests on a television special. To my knowledge, no one has ever progressed to the actual million dollar challenge, i.e., the "official" test. |
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Sean Giles Inner circle Cambridge/ UK 3517 Posts |
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On Aug 11, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: Yes but I don't think it's because, as Slim says, 'they will never allow anyone to actually take the test'. Perhaps when controls were added for the preliminary, the effect went away. |
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts |
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On Aug 11, 2015, Sean Giles wrote: Psychic abilities only work when nobody is looking. |
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jstreiff Special user 701 Posts |
There are a number of interesting moments in this video.
The first person claimed to be a medium yet he was given a clairvoyance test. The second woman claimed to be a Tarot reader yet she was not allowed any interactions with her sitters and was required to correctly identify 9 out of 12 bios. Likewise the 3rd woman also had to do the same thing but was not allowed to work in her usual manner. So the first problem is that each person was improperly tested. Is this really an example of the 'quality' of these tests? The second problem had to do with the odds. The first test was characterized by reporter Jo Jo Chang as 1 million to 1 against chance. But the actual odds are closer to over 1 trillion to 1 against chance (1/10^12). The last two ladies' odds were about 1 million to 1 against of performing at the level demanded by the test. Their results of 1 in 12 are about average. But let's not forget who actually administered these tests: Banachek and none other than Jamie Ian Swiss; both very competent conjurers. It us absolutely no stretch to suggest that they may have had a hand in ensuring the failure of all three people. There is an unwarranted assumption of trust in these folks who have a lot to lose if anything goes wrong and someone wins. These tests were characterized on camera by Randi as a Million Dollar Challenge and that someone could walk away with the money. This detail was edited out of the footage after the fact. And let's not forget that the original author of the challenge, Randi himself, is neither a scientist nor a mathematician by his own proud admission. Like all of us, he knows the best way to win the game is to rig it. So the real question is, are we seeing a legitimate test or a piece of performance art?
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts |
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On Aug 11, 2015, jstreiff wrote: Seriously? That seems more likely to you than these people not having any paranormal powers? |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
If its about debunking, surely the best way would have been to let the psychic tarot reader do her usual thing, and tape it... then transcribe it, and go through it with everyone present...
then they could have said "well, you used ambiguous language here...and this is too broad a comment there..." surely the best way to prove/disprove something is to observe it in its natural habitat first, then deconstruct it fairly - examine it, and then rinse and repeat...see what comes out of it... i think doing it that way (especially for readings) will be a great way to investigate the claims in a healthy way... at worst, they could be in the same room together, separated by a black screen - the tarot reader speaks outloud, and the sitter types their responses back on a keyboard, and the reader sees the responses... i think the tests are often illogical, I know that the person going after the money agrees to it - but maybe they're being greedy, silly, naive or too willing to please...
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Bill Cushman Inner circle Florida 2876 Posts |
Maybe they should restrict the Million Dollar Challeng to abilities that can be TESTED under scientific conditions. Not studied, which is very different, but the kinds of things that be assessed and quantified in a laboratory or related setting.
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MagicalEducator Veteran user 369 Posts |
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On Aug 10, 2015, Slim King wrote: Not clear how it's a "Fraud"? If people can't demonstrate their skill in a scientific setting then this isn't a fraud at all. Perhaps no one can take the test because no one has shown any paranormal powers. Seems much more reasonable to me. Would love to meet someone with real paranormal abilities. jeff
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browneyed Regular user I could've sworn I had more than 104 Posts |
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Not clear how it's a "Fraud"? Nobody involved is a reputable scientist (in fact, they're all extremely biased skeptics) and the tests are less than scientific. They mostly involve asking subjects for their personal opinion which is subjective and leaves a lot of room for bias and error. Also, they openly admit to rigging the test so that it is almost impossible to pass even if you have paranormal abilities. Apparently you're not allowed to be human if you have paranormal abilities. Now I definitely believe that there are charlatans out there that are making a fortune preying on the innocent and gullible and they deserve to be called out. But I hate that they don't take the test seriously while everyone else does. If you don't take the test, you're a fraud because why wouldn't you want a million dollars. If you do take the test, the odds are already stacked against you so you're a fraud because you didn't pass a rigged, unscientific test. I have no problem legitimately testing people for paranormal abilities but this is just a crappy excuse for skeptics to be skeptical no matter what. The legitimacy of the test is gone before they even begin because the creators don't want anybody to pass. |
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts |
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On Aug 11, 2015, browneyed wrote: The Million Dollar Challenge does not purport to be a scientific examination. It is a challenge. It's right there in the name. It does not "involve asking subjects for their personal opinion" unless stating personal opinions is the claim, which I doubt the James Randi Educational Foundation would accept since stating opinions is not a paranormal ability. Please post a cite where the JREF "openly admit[s] to rigging the test". If you are unable or unwilling to post this, I will assume that this is as untrue as the other statements in your post. |
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