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I do like the randomness of it too Smile
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Simon's system is fantastic and yes it is a second secret identity. I actually secretly mark my cards with the number of the position in the stack so after I do mem deck routines it can be shuffled and I still instantly know which card is selected by simply looking at the secret number on the back. I learned Simon's stack a few years ago and use it almost daily. It really didn't take a long time to learn and the possibilities are endless.
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Mind and memory are strange things, and they work differently with different people.

My wife has astounding procedural memory for complicated art-making processes of all sorts, and for playing music. But simple dates and times fall straight out of her head.

I easily make associations between numbers, which gives me mental hooks to hang them on. This is foreign to her.

I have a octogenarian magician friend who knows people's names associated with things in the field of magic, but can't summon them on demand. They're in his head and they're accurate, but he has trouble accessing them. Yet he has fantastic procedural memory for tricks old and new -- he's always learning new tricks.

It's good to have different systems for learning things.
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I score very high in the visual/spatial elements of IQ tests...i can visually/mentally create shapes and objects, and I can often judge people's shoe sizes, height and distances (for real)...

but ask me to memorise even a fairly short sequence of numbers and I'd be lucky to remember 4 on the bounce...
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Can a very bright 6 year old do it?
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On Aug 12, 2015, Slim King wrote:
Can a very bright 6 year old do it?


Great question - Let's see! PM me your email address and when it is done I'll send it over.

Best,

Atlas
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Very nice stack, Atlas. It does indeed look quite random.

I have to admit, though, that certain parts of it look just like my own personal stack that I invented back in early 2014. (Please don't think that I'm accusing you of stealing my stack. I'm not. I know you didn't steal it simply because I never made my stack public!) In fact, eleven of the cards in your stack have the exact same position in my stack. It's likely that only one of them (the Three of Diamonds) is just a coincidence. But as for the other ten, maybe it has something to do with great minds thinking alike! Smile

...And there are a few other cards that, while they're not exact matches, are fairly close to each other in our stacks, which suggests that we were thinking along similar lines.

It's kind of nice that there's a stack out there that shares similarities to my own. One thing I liked about my stack is that "it made sense to me." While I don't expect many to understand what I mean by that, I wouldn't be surprised if you understood.

-- J-L

P.S. For the record, I eventually decided to make the switch to the MBCS (Richard Osterlind's Memorized Breakthrough Card System) for reasons this post doesn't cover. I still review my own invented stack from time to time, however.
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I again and again wonder why this wrong idea is still around... Learning a position of a card. You do not, you never should, you will be slow, your mindset is wrong, most of the real good things you never won't be able to perform... You need your head free to do other things. So again: you learn a second secret identity for each card which is by accident a number from 1 to 52. End of the story. With this secret identity you can do whatever you want, even stack a deck from 1 to 52 Smile

I use a MD since more than 20 years, it took me may be 4 weeks an hour the day to learn it. That's it until today. Yes, I might "rehearse" it, every second or third day which takes about 2 minutes mental gymnastics each time the maximum, or may be 6 minutes per week... I do not even need a deck of cards, it is entirely mentally... I can do it wherever and whenever I wish to...

Could somebody explain to me why almost everyone in our art is too lazy to invest this little time to learn it? What should musicians think about us and our discipline in working and rehearsing? But I am happy to hear that there is again a new system (after so many attempts) which certainly needed more time to be invented and formulated than simply memorizing a deck of cards Smile ... If you follow Simon Aronson's ("A Stack to remember") idea and his system you are done latest after 4 weeks, and for ever. If you do not try it of course you will not believe it. And if you do not believe me, ask guys like Michael Close or Alain Nu... We didn't believe it until we did it. Now we know. 4 weeks of little discipline changed our state of mind completely. Jan


Jan -

It is a lot like dieting and losing weight.

Many would rather take a pill or see a plastic surgeon rather than exercise each day and eat healthy food in moderation.

The "holy grail" is always tempting - and there is a big market for holy grail.

I have yet to learn a stack - so shame on me. But when I do, and it will be soon, I will learn it well.
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[quote]On Aug 12, 2015, J-L Sparrow wrote:
Very nice stack, Atlas. It does indeed look quite random.

But as for the other ten, maybe it has something to do with great minds thinking alike! Smile



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Atlas showed me this memorised deck in Newcastle a few weeks ago and performed a couple of routines with it.
If you've not got a mem deck this is worth taking a look at...very quick to pick up with a few golden rules.
I think you'll enjoy very much performing the routines he includes also.
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Hi Atlas,

When you say that the deck can be handled by the participant, can you elaborate on what you mean? What does the spectator actually do in reality when handling the deck? Thanks!

Regards,
Mike

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On Aug 12, 2015, Atlas wrote:
I'm finally sitting down to write this out, and thought you might enjoy a little teaser:

"There are some pretty cool things that you can do with a memorized deck. The only trouble is that you have to memorize 52 cards in 52 positions. Not only can that prove challenging, but it is incredibly time consuming and requires constant work to move that information from your short term to your long term memory.

Understandably, not many people make the effort.

But what if you could memorize the position of every card in a deck in a matter of minutes - And then recall that deck order for the rest of your life?

Well, you can.

How is this possible? Why does this work?

As with most things, the answer lies in a story:"

So there you go!

Memorized decks typically take a number forms, and (unsurprisingly) each has some sort of compromise. A deck that requires you to memorize it through brute force takes an awful lot of time to master. A deck formed from a set of rules or a formula typically can't be freely handled or displayed as the cards don't look mixed. Systems that allow the use of memory pegs are also difficult to learn as you often have to learn the peg system as well.

In an ideal world, there wouldn't be any compromise - You'd be able to quickly memorize a deck that could also be freely displayed and handled by a participant. You'd have your cake and eat it too.

I'm pleased to say that this is now possible with 'The Solution'.

The Solution is the deck that I referenced during my Penguin Live Lecture - a deck that you can memorize in minutes and openly fan and display. In fact, I'm sure I posted a picture of the face up deck on Twitter about six months back and it left everyone who saw it baffled.

Anyway, there you go - an update for everyone who has emailed me asking about The Solution specifically - I'll keep you posted as I work on this, but anticipate that it should be released around the start of October.

Best,

Atlas
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On Aug 13, 2015, insight wrote:
Hi Atlas,

When you say that the deck can be handled by the participant, can you elaborate on what you mean? What does the spectator actually do in reality when handling the deck? Thanks!

Regards,
Mike



Hi Mike,

I just mean that you can hand them the pack and not be worried at all that they'd find anything amiss. To answer your second question, there is a very nice thought of card routine that I do with The Solution. The deck is in their hands the entire time, and they can choose any of the 52 cards.

Best,

Atlas
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You said beginning of October, right Atlas? Are there any more details? Please just yell at me if you already offered more and I somehow missed them in the thread.

Thanks,
Lem
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For what it's worth the Joyal Stack is what got me finally on the road to memdeck work. Having something that finally clicked I found I was over the hump and could memorize any deck. Hopefully this stack from Atlas can be a gateway for more guys to get started down a fascinating road!

Have you written up any simple routines to go with it Atlas? I've got a few pieces I adore using that are great for starting with stacks.
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Quite confident to leave the stack out there for people to work out...
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SittinDuK wrote:
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For what it's worth the Joyal Stack is what got me finally on the road to memdeck work. Having something that finally clicked I found I was over the hump ...

This is an instructive story: it's always good to be reminded that there are different approaches to memorizing a full-deck stack, and what works well for one may not do so for others. Whichever of the four memorization techniques we ourselves use, it is wise to be familiar with the others, in order to help those who are struggling, and may be unaware of alternate approaches.

Looking forward to seeing what Atlas has come up with.
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Awesome...thanks! I am very interested in this!

Regards,
Mike

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On Aug 13, 2015, insight wrote:
Hi Atlas,

When you say that the deck can be handled by the participant, can you elaborate on what you mean? What does the spectator actually do in reality when handling the deck? Thanks!

Regards,
Mike



Hi Mike,

I just mean that you can hand them the pack and not be worried at all that they'd find anything amiss. To answer your second question, there is a very nice thought of card routine that I do with The Solution. The deck is in their hands the entire time, and they can choose any of the 52 cards.

Best,

Atlas
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Hello Atlas,

Looks interesting, can you tell a little about the ways you can get into the stack?
For instance from new deck order?

Best,
Kevin
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Jan,

Agreed that each card should be associated with a secret identity, but not that is "by accident" that the secret identities are 1, ..., 52. The secret identities are useful primarily because our brains already KNOW that 46 comes after 45 (for example). If the secret identities of each card were names like: "Franz, Gunther, WIlliam, Ludwig", you would not know that glimpsing William on the bottom of the deck would tell you the top card.

Am I missing something?

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