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iinsane123
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Hello everyone,

First time on this forum. So I am pretty new to magic and I'm doing like a big order on penguinmagic. So I saw 3 things, along the other cheap stuff, that interested me. Panic by Aaron Fisher, Revolution by Greg Wilson and Born to perform Card Magic by Oz. I hesitate a little about the last one because om not entirely new, learned things on the internet, my brother also teached me some things and I bought 2 dvds, one about Svengali deck and the other on about coin magic. The problem is that I'm only buying one of the items I mentioned. So what would you recommend and why? Keep in mind that I'm not a pro yet.

Thx everyone, and sorry for my mediocre english.
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With Born to Perform you are going to get several good basic routines the other two are one trick ponies.(Not knocking them.)
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I don't have any of those three products, but between the three I would definitely avoid the first two options at this moment. As a beginner you'll be willing to buy a bunch of individual tricks or nice flourishes, that right now you'll use once or twice and that's it. In your first months in magic you should invest your time on learning the basics. Select one good set of DVDs or books and stick to it for a while - if you think you like Oz's Born to Perform Card Magic buy it and work on it for a while. You'll find several great other recommendations here in this forum, so take a look at them. If your thing is card magic, I'd choose one of the following at this moment and work on it for a while before buying anything else: Card College, Royal Road to Card Magic or Harry Lorayne's Classic Collection vol. 1. Those are all books, but they'll give you more work and study material that you can imagine, for less than you would pay for some of the single tricks that you will want to buy in your first months in magic... I wish I had learnt this earlier - it would have saved me a lot of money and time...

Finally, if you're interested in more than card magic, start buying tarbell and subscribing to Dan Harlan's video series on Tarbell available at Penguin Magic. It's a great learning experience that will show you interesting ways to read a magic book and that will help you learning to think as a magician...
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I don't own any of those effects but I would suggest for someone starting out that you should buy something with more than one effect on it, personally I would recommend hardcore by Jay Sankey but that is just my style, but I would highly recommend get a DVD with multiple effects to build up your repertoire.
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Welcome to the Café, Iinsane123!

Oz's Born to Perform Card Magic? You cannot go wrong with that. If you can do books, I cannot recommend a better start than Harry Lorayne! Harry Lorayne's Classic Collection vol. 1, is really all you need. It's out of print, though. Here is Harry's page of his books:

http://www.harryloraynemagic.com/magic-books.html

You might find his e-books a bit more affordable:

http://www.harryloraynemagic.com/magic-e-books.html

If you're a DVD kinda guy?

http://www.harryloraynemagic.com/magic-dvds.html

I think new magicians, card guys specifically, need to be informed of the unique works of Harry Lorayne. He is a legend, and he is right here in the Café! If he graces us with his presence, it is PARAMOUNT that respect and courtesy be maintained! Imagine if Dai Vernon or Harry Blackstone were to visit here!

Later on, when you feel ready, Coin Magic is blessed to have Dr. Michael Rubinstein's Encyclopedia Of Coin Sleights. A 3-volume DVD set. Read about it here (scroll down):

http://www.newyorkcoinmagic.net/Rubinstein.htm

What I have just presented you, are FAR more valuable than a few "tricks". I sure hope this helps...

Doug
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Welome, Iinsane123.

The advice others have given here is repeated often in different conversation threads in the Magic Café: Prioritize instructional books and DVDs over single-trick props.

There's an old saying, "Give a man a fish and he eats for a day; teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime." I think the magic version of that might be, "Buy a trick and you can do one trick. Learn basic sleights and you can do magic for a lifetime."

One of the options you mentioned was "Born to Perform." I just purchased that, and there's a wealth of material there. Oz starts with the basics (how to hold a deck) but quickly moves on to share a host of workhorse utility moves and routines built on them (including performance segments). Don't worry that it's going to be too basic for you. You'll be able to start with a review of things you already know (so you can be sure you're doing them in the best way), and then -- unless you're a really experienced card guy -- you'll be into new material.
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Welcome to the Café!

While many individual props and effects are awesome, I agree that the best way to begin is with books and dvds that teach the basics and classics. Aside from learning skills that will last a lifetime, anytime, anywhere, you will also be privy to many routines and effects that have been forgotten or underused, so your magic will stand out from the rest. Why? Because many magicians buy the latest and greatest trick, and forget about the thousands of incredible magic plots that are found in classic magic tomes.

Enjoy your journey into magic. It's a wonderful trip.
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I'm a little late to this party, but I just want to add my two cents. First off, all the advice above is spot-on. I also agree a BOOK is the BEST thing anyone can do to expand their knowledge. However, sometimes it takes buying a few one shot tricks to realize the value of a book. A great one-shot trick will definitely motivate the "magic bug." I do own PANIC by Aaron Fisher. Although I don't use it all that often, I've actually purchased it twice over the course of the past few years. Aaron is a great teacher who is thorough & takes the time to explain the psychology behind how you handle the cards. I think anyone who takes the time to listen to Aaron's advice would be able to perform PANIC with some practice to go along with it. Oz is also a very good teacher as well. I received his DVD for free & viewed it. Although I don't perform the material on it, I think it would definitely provide a strong foundation to anyone just starting out.
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