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Snoogans Regular user 138 Posts |
Gang,
I've been doing some reading about Tarot and I wanted to ask an intuitive question. It appears to me based on the various sources I've read so far, that there are different interpretations of every card. In other words, if 5 people looked at the same cards, one would hear 5 different interpretations. If this is indeed the case, one isn't absolutely required to memorize a specific set of meanings for each card. How do you feel about my theory? Please keep in mind that I am for the most part, ignorant on the meaning of each and every card. However, I like to think that the first step in learning about something is admitting to oneself that you know nothing about it when you begin. Thanks! Snoogans! |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
Just buy enrique enriquez's work on the tarot and you'll feel much, much better...don't ever read the little booklets you get with decks of tarot...
be different, be you, express what you see in the way only you can...and you will be able to do so more than you can right now, once you've invested the time and money in enrique's work...
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
Alternatively, you could also learn about the historical meanings of the images on the cards (specifically the Trumps) as interpreted through the perspective of 14th-century Italian allegorical art (for that's where they originate from).
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
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Pizpor Elite user 476 Posts |
I got a lot out of Paul Voodini's Magicians Guide to the Tarot. Pretty straightforward stuff when you start to let the pictures on the cards tell the story.
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Snoogans Regular user 138 Posts |
If Voodini wrote it, it's gold.
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Perkins Special user 950 Posts |
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On Aug 18, 2015, Pizpor wrote: I 2nd this. Wholeheartedly.
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reese Inner circle of Hell 1332 Posts |
If you go to aecletic tarot and look under the Marseille forum you will find the index for some instructional enrique enriquez' posts. There's a series of 6 exercises that are very useful. (Of course, they only truly apply to the Marseille deck) If those exercises prove of value to you, I'd recommend buying his books & dvd.
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Snoogans Regular user 138 Posts |
Thanks, everyone!
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Pizpor Elite user 476 Posts |
Also, if you are in self-guided learning mode and are interested in a rock solid video course on the tarot, I'd like to mention 'The Tarot Readers Secrets' by Leaping Lizards Magic (I'm not sure what happened to his website, but if you can track down a copy, it's a good investment). It goes over all the fundamental information about the symbolism, spreads, basic readings, etc. It will help get you started down the road. Good luck.
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reese Inner circle of Hell 1332 Posts |
The traditional way to learn the Tarot for real is first: don't buy any books. Don't read the pamphlets or any books. A day at a time. Sit with one card a day. Jot down impressions in your special book ( how they feel) as you gaze at the image loosely, body relaxed. That way you explore the cards themselves, without any outside input. At the end of 78 days...burn your book. You are then free to begin again. Which is what you do every time a sitter is in front of you. It's always fresh. Always something new.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
Yes. Don't use the books. Rely on your psychic insight! If you don't have psychic insight ... use the books...
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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reese Inner circle of Hell 1332 Posts |
Slim is wrong. Don't rely on a fiction. Don't let it bother your brain whether "psychic insight" exists or not. Read the cards dumb; without a single reference point to ANY belief system whatsoever. Make it your own and unknowingly you make it not about you. You aren't the "special" one. Neither is the sitter. (Better be paying attention to them though) Look at cards. (Be dumb) That means: look with no expectations, no notion preconceived. See the cards in front of you. Fresh. They spell a poem. Open your mouth. Make sounds. Do no harm.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
And keep in mind, it wasn't until the 18th century that occultists wrote about the tarot...
Soooo... To keep things healthy, remember what the tarot was originally used for...
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Malakim Loyal user 206 Posts |
I do not know if what I say changes if you want to use the Tarot for Magic.
If you want to learn about the Tarot, first I suggest to accept that Tarot cards are paper cards with pictures. I have no Idea how anybody could think the cards (themselfs) could tell you anything about the future. They act as a catalyst and it is you who learns something (maybe even about the future) from using them. This said, I have no Idea how memorised meanings should do THIS trick. It is a communication device between you and some "unknown" parts within you. From what I learned about magick and occult, this is true for most maybe all devination systems. In my opinion it makes sense for the Bizarr Magician to learn how Symbols work and what a Symbol is, totally apart from Tarot. Other than that, the cards have been pressed into several systems which, of course, led to a lot of discussions. This is all about getting the Tarot into correspondence with the Kabbalistic Tree of life. This is a huge topic and maybe not relevant for Folks here. The two main Systems are maybe Crowley and Raider Waite and almost all Decks follow one of these and copy more or less the Symbolism. I am sorry that I am going to recomment German Books, I do not know if this was translated: "Die grossen Arcana des Tarot: Meditationen": http://www.amazon.de/Die-Grossen-Arcana-......3&sr=1-5 This is a Book where somebody in the know wrote about his own meditations about each major Arcana card. The writer was a strong christian believer and this is obviousely blendet into his meditations. Non the less it has great insights and I think this is the best book about the Tarot. Then the Book about Tarot by Oswald Wirth: http://www.amazon.de/Die-Magie-Tarot-eso......ld+Wirth I know this is available in french. This Book is all about ordering the cards and understanding the cards as a system, it is not on the individual cards. I also love the books by Akron (maybe I am biased since I know the Author): http://www.akron-tarot.de/index.php?section=1 His books about the Crowley Tarot are very good in my opinion. His Tarot is also quite nice and features a unique Symbolism and Art. |
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BillyAcre Regular user 135 Posts |
It's ok to start with a little book larnin', but one must not memorize.
Mastering the Tarot by Eden Gray is a great introduction. It has a blurb on the iconography and another on the "meaning" of the card. A couple of cursory passes should get you started. The bigger sin is memorizing spreads, or more specifically, getting hung up on what a book says a card in a particular position is supposed to mean ("this card reflects the hopes and dreams of someone in the querent's life"). I belong to no small number of FB groups and a forum hither and yon and I can't believe how people agonize over the interpretation of a card in light of the dictates of it's positions. Much of the hair pulling arises from "positive" cards (eg 3 Cups) landing in "negative" positions ("this card speaks of the fears of the querent on the subject"), or the dreaded combination of court cards landing in positions that don't have anything to do with personages (a Page of Pentacles appearing in a card that is supposed to be about health). I start always with a three card spread and flip cards one by one for deeper interpretations. This method has the advantage that the reading can be arbitrarily long, which means you don't have to use cookie cutter spreads and you don't have to shoehorn card interpretations into slotted patterns. You can just flip until you reach some terminus. The position of the card plays no role. Just read like you're reading a story, gauge the sitter's reaction, then adjust your take and tell them whatever they want to hear. Later, rinse, repeat. Adding a marked deck heightens the effect. Pro tip: almost never "predict" the exact card. For the Minors predict the suit often, the index without the suit considerably less often. Better yet discuss two or three possible cards that could come up "if I am seeing things clearly [based on everything said up to that point] my intuition tells me this will be either a 5 of Wands or 8 of Wands [4 of cups or 4 of Swords, etc ]". 30% or so should be complete misses. The Rider Waite is superb because you can do this stuff with the iconography of the entire deck. For instance, if the card on top is, say, the 2 of Wands or 3 of Wands, say "I sense that you've been impatient that your boyfriend has not proposed marriage." Think horseshoes, not bullseyes. If you are reading with a regular deck of poker cards or with a tarot deck that has spot cards, there are quite a few books that will give you a framework for interpretation. I have developed my own, which is copped from existing frameworks and to which I have added my own nuances. One advantage it has is that there is a fallback interpretation for court cards that don't have involve a person. Maybe when it's perfected I'll share. I would put it up for sale, and I think it would be a good addition, but G-d knows there are so many books out there. I seem to have strayed. |
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MagieFraudster New user 95 Posts |
Different interpretations does not mean different core meanings. The Sun would never be described as "a time of turbulence and difficult transformation." Ian Rowland's book says it doesn't matter at all what you say for each card or planet or whatever, but your sitters will often have an extensive knowledge of the basics of the system, so you're better off learning it if you're going to use it.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
There are no words to describe billyacre's advice, apart from...
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! 😊
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Snoogans Regular user 138 Posts |
Just bought Voodini's book on Tarot and I'm about to start reading. This makes the 7th Voodini book I've dropped coin on and if it's half as good as the other 6, I'm confident I'll have a great start.
I also own Spiritus Claritas Alpha/Symbol Seance Cards and can't recommend this product enough. I plan to use these on a regular basis. I plan to approach both Spiritus Claritas and Tarot the same way: as a entertaining, positive and uplifting experience for my sitter. I've done extensive reading over the last few years and I've amassed a considerable collection of texts from Hoodini, Voodini, Freddy Valentine, T. Evert Bookings, III, Dan Bains, Jim Mangus, just to name a few. Of all the things I've learned, the biggest and most valuable lesson is that we as the Medium, tarot reader, entertainer (pick your title) cannot take for granted that some people believe heavily in the supernatural and we can't always pinpoint them right away, so I plan to handle everyone as if they are a believer and make my presentations and their experiences positive. I believe that we have a responsibility to use the knowledge that we gain from our reading and training to give people something to look forward to, to give them hope and optimism. A negative person (and I know of a few) can use the same skills we develop for selfish purposes, and this is something I absolutely refuse to do. I can think of one person who would literally tell a sitter that the spirit is saying not to worry about where the money is hidden just to get a thrill out of watching them tear the house down in trying to find something that isn't there. The bottom line is we have the power to inspire and empower or manipulate and exploit. What do you think? Anyhoo, thanks to all that have answered! I'm excited to expand my horizons and learn Tarot! Thanks! Snoogans!! |
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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
In the rare instances I've used a m****d tarot deck, I've used it to provide an element of foreshadowing during the reading. Once all the cards are laid out face-down, I glance at the marks and get an overall feel for how the entire reading will play out. I then begin revealing and interpreting the cards one by one. Occasionally I will look at a certain combination of revealed cards and mention that they will have a much stronger interpretation if a certain other card appears in the reading. Lo and behold . . . and that's exactly what happens! The effect on the querent is palpable and they will be left wondering if synchronicity or just plain coincidence is in effect.
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
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MRSharpe Special user Never a dull moment with 940 Posts |
Two friends of mine--husband and wife--who both read Tarot with great results each work their readings differently. He goes "by the book" using some set of traditional meanings while she "flies by the seat of her gypsy dress" and improvises her readings as she is inspired. As I said, both get great results and from clients which they read one after the other. The only way one would run into trouble with her method would be if some "shut eye" who had memorized the "exact" meanings from a specific book were to dogmatically call one on one's interpretation. Sankey says to go with what you see in the cards using your own insight. With any oracle this is true, but with the Tarot there is that chance that you could be called reading by your inspiration instead of by how the cards are defined in a book. You could probably read 1000 clients before that would happen unless you decide to do a psychic fair where a lot of "shut eyes" were in attendance.
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