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Philemon Vanderbeck Inner circle Seattle, WA 4694 Posts |
There are so many different systems of interpretations for Tarot, if a reader was ever confronted by a querent who wondered why the interpretation of a particular card did not jive with what they read or learned somewhere, all the reader would have to say is that s/he uses a different system (e.g., from some unknown secret society or from an ancient relative who had the true secrets passed onto them).
Professor Philemon Vanderbeck
That Creepy Magician "I use my sixth sense to create the illusion of possessing the other five." |
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MRSharpe Special user Never a dull moment with 940 Posts |
Exactly what my friend does, Philemon.
Custom Props Designer and Fabricator as well as Performer from Indiana, USA
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Gismologic Regular user 171 Posts |
I stumbled across this thread from August. I concur w/Snoogans enthusiastic use of Sprirtus Claritas.
I have found it to be a very interactive experience for the Querent. How many of you good folk out there use it ? How does it compare with the Kadar system ? Kadar seems a bit more light hearted (I'm considering it.) |
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Joshua J Inner circle 1014 Posts |
Both are nice. Kadar has a look of being light hearted while still having a lot depth to readings. They probably suit more situations than spiritus claritas as you aren't likely to come up against any objections on spiritual/religous grounds to Kadar as it can be presented as a light hearted game, wheras Spiritas Claritas are more suited for seance use. I like both, different tools for different situations. I use Kadaar more for readings than Spiritas, which I tend to use as alphabet cards for glass pushing.
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Mad0hatter Regular user 192 Posts |
I agree whole heartedly with IAIN's last post.
When it comes to tarot I find all those dreadful nitpicky meanings too much of a chore to try and memorize all abstract meanings. Humans are story telling creatures and I find that to be the easiest way for me. The major arcana tells the story of the fool as he goes on a physical then spiritual journey. Each card a chapter in that story. I learned the stories, when I cast the cards I tell those stories and look for the relevant messages. Recently I added the four aces and a blank so I could do the "Real Work on the 21 Card Trick" |
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Nyama Possessor Veteran user Under the Shade Tree 322 Posts |
Personally, I prefer Kadar over the Tarot, and HIGHLY recommend it... As it is a little more fun and cheerful, yet NOT without a pure sense of maturity and mystery at the same time... I would also argue that Kadar is more versatile than the Tarot, as there are 100 different routines and directions you can take it in.
On another note, ironically I very much feel that studying Kadar has made me be a better Tarot reader (when and if I do use Tarot cards). Kadar taught me to be a better listener and to "let go" (literally), by letting the sitter guide the conversation/reading while you (the reader) simply ask questions and rehash their answers... In reality and surprisingly, sitters who are genuinely invested in receiving a "reading" will verbally tell you everything you need to know about them and their life... And if not verbally, then their body language speaks volumes. Who is not invested in a reading when they have spend money to get one? My advice: The word LISTEN and the word SILENT contain the same letters. Do the knowledge on that. Peace. From Under The Shade Tree, ~ Nyama ~
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mcharisse Inner circle York. PA 1226 Posts |
Posted this a while back and thought it really relates to this thread as well...
Maybe I’m coming late to the party and this is old news, but I’ve come across something I think is a great tarot resource for people like me who dabble but have struggled with the esoteric learning curve usually associated with the cards. But reading Secrets of the Waite Smith Tarot, by Marcus Katz and Tali Goodwin has been a liberating and enlightening experience for me. The authors combine historical scholarship with an experienced reader’s understand and perspective of the cards to make this a great book. The authors examine the roles played by the deck’s creator’s, occult scholar A.E. Waite and artist Pamela Coleman Smith. Waite, they point out, was no expert on tarot, but interested in the Kabbalah and saw the major arcana as a representation of the tree of life. His own writings on the cards were further obscured by his notions of secret knowledge and many of his “instructions” are deliberately misleading. Smith was a neophyte in the occult, but an experienced set designer in the theater, who used the scenes, costumes and actors of her time to illustrate the cards. Waite exerted his influence on the majors, and both visited the British Museum where the Sola Busca cards were then on display. But many of her symbols are accidental, or placed there as allusions to Shakespeare or other classic theater rather than coming from occult sources. This is not to say other symbolic interpretations are wrong, but that a wide variety of interpretations are perfectly valid. The authors believe the reason the deck remains the “standard” a century after it was created is Smith’s genius for capturing feeling and emotion in the characters on the cards with simple color and body language, making them intuitively easier to decode — a talent she honed in her theater work. The early part of the book breaks down Waite’s cosmology of the cards and gives the spread he used to study the major arcana — not to read cards for others but to use them to ascend the tree of life. For readers, however, they break down the deck into 14 basic words, representing the 4 suits and the 10 Sephiroth of the Tree of Life. With these 14 words, they say, you can begin to read cards and they include single-card and three-card reading strategies to get you started. But this is not a read the tarot in three easy steps approach, but a passionate and scholarly exploration of the Waite-Smith tarot to get people interacting with the cards. The latter part of the 400-page book is a closer look at each of the 78 cards, including their symbolism, origins and other things that will make you an instant expert on the cards. Along the way, you learn such cool things as the name of the dog on the fool card, the name of the cat on the Queen of Wands and a few secret symbols in the cards you may never have known were there. I don’t know either author, and didn’t get a free copy of the book, which I picked up on impulse at BAM. I just wanted to share what has been a great read and finally gotten me into the cards not only for performance, but as a form of introspection and understanding, with my spooky pals on the Café. marc |
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bartleby Veteran user 361 Posts |
Hey that sounds cool Marc, thank-you
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Louis Cypher Veteran user 356 Posts |
Hi Guys,
I have yet to find a deck I feel comfortable with and I have had quite a few over the years. The imagery doesn't really speak to me so I love using a deck of playing cards instead. Great results and people are very curious as they have only ever seen cards used for games or card tricks. Also it takes the "Christian element" out of the picture as they don't seem to attach the same negative meaning to playing cards. Anyway this you tube video I think is rather good and although you probably won't learn the deck in 72 hours as the video suggests it has some great tips. http://youtu.be/_NDuHfxp0NQ Cheers enjoy Louis. |
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DrTodd Inner circle 1976 Posts |
EE's Notes on the Tarot de Marseilles
Pollack's 78 Degrees of Freedom And this http://www.amazon.co.uk/Meditations-Taro......85421618 If you have the time, these are hugely insightful. Let the information wash over you, read and re read, and then let go. Become unconsciously competent and work a story from what you see, but work with the client not at the client., |
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Snoogans Regular user 138 Posts |
Gang,
Pure genius in this thread! I've enjoyed reading it and investigating your suggestions! Please keep them coming! |
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Cbring Loyal user Sweden 241 Posts |
My approach to the Tarot have been to both study and read. The Tarot tell a story of a life or a story of eras in life. In that way I can read the Tarot starting with The Fool and ending with The World as a story of a specific era like teenage, ten years in that situation and so on. On the other hand I can as well read it as a Circle ending and starting with The Fool. I think that if you make your story about what is described in the Major Arcana, then you can easy do a reading. With no question from the spectator you read it as a circle of life. and with specific question you read it as guidence in that era.
The Minor Arcana adds details. The wands, swords, cups and pentacles represents (in general terms) self-fulfillment, obstacles, emotions and economy. The number and picture help you to understand the meaning of the card. So what I did was to study the card so that I understand them, looked at the details and so on. Then I read the books, then I look at the cards again and made the story. Now I combine the knowledge of the Tarot with cold reading skills, reading systems like Websters Psychometry A-Z and Jermays Tarot Alfabeth (and my own systems soon to be released). I also use our gimmicks like a NW, billets or envelopes when I need to be very accurate. And finally, which will bother some of you... I use my intuition. I have been working as a teacher for 15 years, I'm pretty accurate in just guessing. Best |
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bartleby Veteran user 361 Posts |
Marc - I just finished and enjoyed that book about Coleman Smith and Waite and tracing the history of some of the cards
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Gismologic Regular user 171 Posts |
Perhaps "Bizarrists" that wish to enhance the effects that they perform and branch out to the Minor Arcana to actually start doing readings should check out:
Mystical Origins of the Tarot - Paul Huson. It was recommended to me by a well known reader here in NYC. It gives one all the history as well as detailing spreads and Minor Arcana interpretations (as well as Trumps) that can indeed move one rapidly. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18012 Posts |
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On Aug 18, 2015, reese wrote: Looks like I was right all along....
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mcharisse Inner circle York. PA 1226 Posts |
Bartleby, I especially like the hidden symbols they ID -- always cool to point these out.
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