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Yeah, its acting. But in the case of women, I think it's also sexism. Not that I think it's wrong; entertainment is about creating whatever illusion you need.

There is a documentary about character actresses called "That gal ... who was in that thing". It's an interesting insight through the eyes of recognizable female character actors (this is a follow-up to "That guy ... who was in that thing".)
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I know I complained about how slow FTWD is (*) but that last episode was intense.

When the Mom called tophat, and then a few minutes later the kid landed on Boardwalk, I was like OMG!

(*) And I guess even some of the fans are starting to feel that way now:

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/09/14/fea......ip-again
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On Aug 23, 2015, SIX wrote:

If you catch Fear the Walking dead tonight, its a totally new show. Though, the roots are the same it has no bearing the Walking Dead. This one is based in L.A at the very early stages of everything

Did folks notice how they time jumped 9 days ahead in the latest episode?

My understanding was that this show was supposed to show what happened in the weeks during which Rick Grimes was in his coma. So far they have fast forwarded us through about two weeks in total and showed nearly nothing of those awesome early stage events on-screen.

I guess nothing much actually happened in the early stages of everything after all. Nothing worth showing us, anyway.

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I think we are dealing with TV-time, and TV-politics. Ideally, this show would have tracked the time period RG was under exactly, but since that time period was vague, this prologue will probably be vague too. I still love it, and can't get enough. If I had a criticism, I wish they would have gone back farther, and explained how the "virus" actually came into being, and the fear/paranoia that surrounded that discovery.
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Oz, I think that is why I never liked the original, and will probably not like this one either. I like to be told a story, not left to fend for myself (which is also why I did not find the ending of The Sopranos satisfying). This does not bother some folks, but I think a storyteller should tell a story. Silly me.
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I'm not sure I understand you Starrpower. I'm pretty sure they ARE telling a story. (As is The Walking Dead)

Not explaining what caused the outbreak or how it all happened would be kind of like saying, "I don't like Star Trek cause, how did they get all those flying spaceships? It's never explained!"
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On Sep 26, 2015, Starrpower wrote:
Oz, I think that is why I never liked the original, and will probably not like this one either. I like to be told a story, not left to fend for myself (which is also why I did not find the ending of The Sopranos satisfying). This does not bother some folks, but I think a storyteller should tell a story. Silly me.

I see your point. What happened, why did it happen and so forth. Not leave it to us to figure that part out. THAT is the story you want, prior to meeting others in the middle right?
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Saying "I like to be told a story" is different than saying, "That's not the story I want to be told"
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I agree, but I think that was his point.
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I think it may have been overly optimistic to expect this show to explain HOW the dead rising bit happened, as I think it has never even been explained in the comic and I think Kirkman is on record as saying that the HOW is unimportant.

But I think the show absolutely could and should have shown us more of society breaking down. As it was, we got a riot over (apparent crowd perceived) police brutality and that was about it. Then we fast forwarded over what should have been a very interesting and exciting week and a half of events. How about showing us what the police and powers that be / politicians were doing to handle the outbreaks. What was happening behind the scenes. Who knew what?

FWIW, the Star Trek franchise actually made quite an effort to explain / show how various of the technologies worked and came about. True, a lot of it was techno-babble, but at least they tried.
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Oz, I think that is why I never liked the original, and will probably not like this one either. I like to be told a story, not left to fend for myself (which is also why I did not find the ending of The Sopranos satisfying). This does not bother some folks, but I think a storyteller should tell a story. Silly me.

I see your point. What happened, why did it happen and so forth. Not leave it to us to figure that part out. THAT is the story you want, prior to meeting others in the middle right?


Pretty much, yeah. I am not trying to convince others to agree with me. I am just the type that is bothered by a lot of unknowns. Others are not, and that's fine. In fact, the original WD jumped right into it, and it's one of the most popular shows on television, so I am probably in the minority.

It's kind of funny in a way, because the thing that bothers me about "Better Call Saul" is that they are giving us the beginning, but I feel a little bugged that we know the ENDING! I suppose I am a bit illogical in that regard.
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Actually I wanted to ask but didn't want to seem like I was busting your chops.

You like what you like. Enough said! LOL

For me more often than not charters drive the show and if I like it. So if examined I bet I am as inconsistent as you are.
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Not to get too far of track, but I was watching 'The Birds" today and it bugs me, as well. There is no rhyme or reason to it. I guess I am simply too shallow a movie viewer.
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I loved the first few seasons of TWD but the last couple have been mind numbing to the point of insulting. FTWD has less character development and absolutely no plot twists. It's 50/50 if I'll return to Walking Dead this season. My main problem is that everyone is constantly serious, no jokes being made, therefore no wit. I much prefer Z Nation,more realistic to how people would actually react in a desperate situation, at least to me.
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I loved the first few seasons of TWD but the last couple have been mind numbing to the point of insulting. FTWD has less character development and absolutely no plot twists. It's 50/50 if I'll return to Walking Dead this season. My main problem is that everyone is constantly serious, no jokes being made, therefore no wit. I much prefer Z Nation,more realistic to how people would actually react in a desperate situation, at least to me.


That's funny cause my view is 180 degrees different. I think TWD has gotten better every season and that last season was easily the best.

I feel like FTWD, in the short time it's been on, has much more character development than TWD did in its first season which I think is one of the reasons people have complained about it being too slow.

While I agree that there are problems with the show, I think this last episode was great and really starts on the line of what moral choices people are going to be willing to make to survive and how they'll change over time. The fall of civilization is happening really, really fast so I'm still worried that next season will jump straight to season one of TWD but I'm also hopeful that maybe they'll be able to continue with the fall of civilization and make it different.

I agree with a review on Forbes that found the premise behind the 'Cobalt' plans far fetched. I also wish they had shown more of the degeneration of LA as others have mentioned. The story is told from the eyes of the main characters and we only know what they know. Since they've been locked up in their community, we've missed a lot of what happened 'out there'. I think the show would have been better if they had spent all 6 episodes building up to where we were at the start of episode 3. I suspect others would have found that too slow moving though.
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I think the story told from the point of view of those in charge might have been interesting.

Expecting these charecters to know how's she whys of this might be expecting a bit much.
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Does anyone find the dialogue boring and flat? I think that's my main problem. Zombies are great to a certain point, but you need some refreshing wit and humour thrown in. Usually the more serious a situation, the more people tend to crack jokes and what-not.I'm not talking about Rodney Dangerfield type punch lines,just the type of funny quips people make in heavy situations.
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Yea in reality in heavy situations people don't generally make those comments. Often cops have a galllows humor thing working but that is honed after years not weeks.
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Not to get too far of track, but I was watching 'The Birds" today and it bugs me, as well. There is no rhyme or reason to it. I guess I am simply too shallow a movie viewer.


The Hitchcock classic is a metaphor and is a lot deeper than you seem to realize.

Superficially, though, it does have a thematic similarity to The Walking Dead.
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Yes lots of Hitchcock was like that.
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