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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts 
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No- a real mentalist (and there are very few remaining today) is NOT a magician. And your saying the contrary doesn't make it so either.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts
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Uri used to be a real mentalist who is now mostly thought of as a magician who told lies. Who is right the media and public of today or the media and public of the past? - even Uri seems to have given up trying to be a real mentalist these days.
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts
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I remember Uri on tv shows in the company of magicians protesting that he was NOT a magician. Where in reality he was a magician living a lie.
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innercirclewannabe Inner circle Ireland 1597 Posts
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On Aug 27, 2015, mindpunisher wrote: You clearly are NOT following his career to date. The man is never 'off'. I'm intrigued what you know to the contrary. Can you elaborate?
Tá sé ach cleas má dhéanann tú sé cuma mhaith ar cheann.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't bolster the argument. It just shows that you don't understand that there is a completely different, and very well documented, point of view that mentalism and magic are not the same. They don't even share common historical roots.
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18038 Posts
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On Aug 27, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: Hey Bob ... How about Houdini's buddy placing a retractable ruler in the Margery Box. He admitted it right?
THE MAN THE SKEPTICS REFUSE TO TEST FOR ONE MILLION DOLLARS.. The Worlds Foremost Authority on Houdini's Life after Death.....
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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Not on my thread please gents...
...and Slim. 😈😉 Back to ny original post please...
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts
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Nah - if Houdini can handle the Cthulhu Mythos, a measly ghost shouldn't have been so troublesome
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts
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On Aug 27, 2015, mastermindreader wrote: I understand what you're saying--and agree that it's a different mindset, though beyond a point the argument comes dangerously close to "no true Scotsman."
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts
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On Aug 27, 2015, IAIN wrote: we can all tap our feet to that
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts
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On Aug 27, 2015, Steve_Mollett wrote:
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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...why do you think there's more alleged sightings of victorian looking ghosts than any other time period?
what took place in the victorian era that allowed people to transfer into ghosts so much more easily than any other time period before or since? anything to do with stories, films and plays set in that time period? the victorian era is the most easily identifiable historically? a huge amount of famous horror writers are from that time period? something else? we certainly viewed and treated death a little differently in the victorian era...but how does that affect ghosts? does all of the above somehow influence? why and why not? i bet you could psych&^&****lly f&*ce a ghost if you worked out some decent framing and questions...that could be fun during a seance...
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Randwill Inner circle 1914 Posts
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Does anybody ever see neanderthal ghosts?
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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On Aug 28, 2015, Randwill wrote: i think some of them post here...
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E.E. Inner circle Look mom, I have 1534 Posts
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On Aug 28, 2015, IAIN wrote: Ba dum tss!
Professional mentalist and digital artist for mystery performers. check out my work at www.facebook.com/EverElizaldeArtStudio
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Dr Spektor Eternal Order Carcanis 10781 Posts
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On Aug 28, 2015, Randwill wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stone_Tape Great little haunted / science vs spirit POV Xmas ghost tale by Kneale.... and there are layers into the "tape" that go ways back - starts with a Victorian Ghost but it gets more wild when the more primitive forces are unleashed
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actorcoop Veteran user 337 Posts
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On Aug 27, 2015, IAIN wrote: I think it is more important to raise these questions TO an audience than to define them ourselves and push our own beliefs upon them. Much like a good history teacher would teach a world religion class in an unbiased manner regardless of his own faith. I ultimately think that people will believe whatever that want to. I think it is important to at least let them knows that there ARE different angles and its up to THEM to decide. Whether séances are presented as 'real' or not doesn't take away from the fact that it is very unique theatre and should be treated as such and not a debate. That being said, I also agree with MANY points you brought up IAIN. The thing that puzzles myself as well is the fact that there seemss to be a lack of diversity in the afterlife. If our souls really did cross over and needed to communicate surely there will be more ancestors trying to come through speaking Russian? German? Chinese? As far as the Victorian aspect of it all, I find that fascinating. Death was so 'en vogue' during that era and I think that there is a dark romanticism attached to it that makes it a perfect anchor for certain seance work. Also, the spiritualism movement was picking up a lot of speed during this time so the attachment to each other is probably rooted from that. It is so interesting to me because it is a religious ritual that actually requires an audience. Perhaps it's ritualistic integrity has been maintained this long for sake of keeping a tradition alive. Of course, my perspective and stance of Seance is coming from a more theatrical slant. I think as long as it is established that what you are doing is performing or presenting something, whatever you justify (or don't) is part of the act.
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Al Desmond Inner circle Secret Mountain Lair in Conifer, Co 1511 Posts
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On Aug 27, 2015, jstreiff wrote: Your assumption "since anything is possible," is simply that. An assumption. You cannot use that as proof of the rest of your argument. A wise approach would be to question your assumption that anything is possible. That's false on it's face. But then again, if no one thought like you, I guess no one would be impressed or entertained by what I do. |
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18038 Posts
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On Aug 28, 2015, IAIN wrote: You have a slight logic problem. Native Americans DID NOT see Victorian Ghosts ... They saw Native American Spirits and still do.
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