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Do they look, feel and behave as water? They don't do they...they are called clouds because they behave differently to the water in your glass...

Unless you ask a chilled glass of sparkling cloud?
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It is a good example though, tony...

I guess it could be argued that clouds are just water, but theres so much more to it...

Just like the implication of a two year old being able to speak to their dead uncle is also a huge concept to deal with...it asks more questions (for me) than anything else
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Arn't clouds water that moves around in the air, they change color and shape too...

100% on that one!!! Touche'
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Its like saying a pitchfork should be placed at the dinner table...
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I cannot argue for or against speaking with the dead.

Yes, I talk to them, but am not sure that they answer back.

I do get answers in dreams and in thoughts.
These could be from the beyond, influenced from the beyond, or created entirely by my subconcious, I don't know.

Do I want to believe such communication is possible. Yes.

My brother passed away unexpectedly a few months ago, and there is nothing I would like more than to speak with him again.

Tony
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Do they look, feel and behave as water? They don't do they...they are called clouds because they behave differently to the water in your glass...

Unless you ask a chilled glass of sparkling cloud?


Since you brought it up...
If you leave water in a glass, it will evaporate, float in air as you mentioned earlier, and some will become cloud. Smile


i'm afraid it wouldn't, tony...that's not how clouds form...clouds form in warm, moist air.

only on a forum would a discussion about one person's views on seances, turn into how clouds form....
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I cannot argue for or against speaking with the dead.

Yes, I talk to them, but am not sure that they answer back.

I do get answers in dreams and in thoughts.
These could be from the beyond, influenced from the beyond, or created entirely by my subconcious, I don't know.

Do I want to believe such communication is possible. Yes.

My brother passed away unexpectedly a few months ago, and there is nothing I would like more than to speak with him again.

Tony


i would love to reply to this properly, but it would cover subject matter not allowed on the magic Café...
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I can't bring myself to make another post on the subject, if you want to belief that it does - then I'm happy for you Smile
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I can't bring myself to make another post on the subject, if you want to belief that it does - then I'm happy for you Smile


http://www.livescience.com/44785-how-do-clouds-form.html

If you meant the metaphysical post where I said I just don't know. I have to believe that as it is the truth, and when I do know, it may be to late to state.
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Some seances work, and I'm sure you see that as a big problem. Paranormal events happen all the time.
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Its not about choosing to have a big problem with something, its about thinking about the implications of what we believe...i personally think its vital and very important, others don't - and that's fine...i'm not out to change anyone's mind... just thought it might be interesting to talk about it... others can start their own thread and talk about their their viewpoint(s) too...

for me, I have a certain range of questions that I feel is important to ask and think about...its not even about right or wrong really - its more about a ripple effect...
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Its not about choosing to have a big problem with something, its about thinking about the implications of what we believe...i personally think its vital and very important, others don't - and that's fine...i'm not out to change anyone's mind... just thought it might be interesting to talk about it... others can start their own thread and talk about their their viewpoint(s) too...

for me, I have a certain range of questions that I feel is important to ask and think about...its not even about right or wrong really - its more about a ripple effect...

This is why I'm "Again" suggesting that you read the works of Arthur Ford. He goes way beyond the "IF" and explains the "Why", answering many of your questions directly.
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Yeah, but you assume I've not read it! and again, it takes more than a single person's experiences (whether fraudulent or not) for something to become reality...

and that is a statement for me and my world...there's no reason to act offended or annoyed, just accepted...everyone is entitled to allow whatever they like in version of this world...the arguments start when it gets into the "well, this is a FACT!"...

there are arguments a million times over when one person tells someone else that something is a fact, when they only have experience, belief and hopes for something that they want to be true...because two different versions of the world then collide and don't match up...that's when the discussion should end...

for example, if you break a limb, its probably healthy to go to the hospital and get it set and fixed...some people might believe its better if you just left it...there is lots and lots of evidence to support the notion that its probably better to get it set by a doctor...you CAN leave it to heal naturally, but you might get blood poisoning and die, or it fuses back together in a warped way etc...you might even hear of someone, somewhere you set it themselves and it worked out fine... good for them... doesn't mean that happens consistently though...
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"And THAT, my friend, is a FACT!" is what you frequently hear after someone has loudly stated an opinion.
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