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doopyloop Regular user 150 Posts |
This not real situation so it is just for have fun.
But why not say that new magic rules exist and you can have 5 card tricks only. What tricks do eliminate? What "KINDS" of tricks do you eliminate? I have some idea but I want before I say to know your idea! Posted: Sep 5, 2015 10:57 pm Also I forget two thing. Number one thing is that is good to say GOOD TRICKS that are eliminate. Is too easy to say bad tricks. Number two thing is t say why is eliminate. Ok that is everything! Sorry for make rules. |
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RogerTheShrubber Veteran user 301 Posts |
I would start by eliminating any and all spelling tricks (I absolutely hate them), all tricks that require a non-standard or one-way deck, and all tricks that require two decks. I'd then eliminate any trick that requires any other prop in addition to the deck. And because your condition leaves me with only five tricks forever, I'd eliminate any trick that requires any full or partial stack.
In other words, I'd restrict myself to the kind of impromptu trick I'd do if someone handed me a deck and asked to see a trick. Then I would eliminate any trick that requires round after round of dealing. As for picking which five tricks I'd keep, that's going to require some more thought. At least one would require a double lift because I've put so much work into doing one well. |
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doopyloop Regular user 150 Posts |
Yes is not easy question! I look at this and think two thing.
Number one thing: If I stay with this conditions then I cant do Ambitious Card Routine or Triumph or Oil & Water or many other classic trick. Number two thing: I am glad this is not real situations because these good tricks are gone forever for me if it is real. Some tricks taht when I do sometimes I get screams I cant do if this conditions are real. |
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MorrisCH Veteran user 393 Posts |
I would eliminate all the tricks that require down under deal or reverse faro, these type of sleight scream for puzzle or any mathematics principle (at least when I present it)
I would also eliminate any tricks that require two decks. I don't mind using Gaff at all, in fact, few of my strongest tricks utilize few blank cards and double face lastly, I would eliminate any trick associate with "Poker hand", in other words, most of gambling routine (gambling routine just don't fit into my culture) |
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MuscleMagic Special user 794 Posts |
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On Sep 6, 2015, MorrisCH wrote: Too bad so many magicians think that most people know poker terminology, you will be surprised how many people do not know what a royal flush is or even basic blackjack terms. you cant just get away with doing all classic tricks, you need to make sure that by the time you are done everyone had a great time and everyone was fooled at least once. If you have a 150+ people audience you will have to include some gaffs and lesser known tricks. The goal is to entertain, let go of all your dogmas people and focus on entertaining, when you sit at home feel free to practice only the ACR how vernon did it |
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doopyloop Regular user 150 Posts |
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On Sep 6, 2015, MuscleMagic wrote: I am srry for my notso good English but this is just for fun. Who say we need all classic trick? Who say we don't want everyone had a great time? Who say should not everyone was fooled at least once? |
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neoinwonderland Regular user 112 Posts |
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On Sep 6, 2015, MuscleMagic wrote: Agreed, I do perform gambling related routines but I always try to stick with finding four cards instead of five and producing a four of a kind, even if they don't know the rules they will understand that the impossible just happened (plus onlookers who aren't paying attention to what you are saying or can't hear you will understand the effect as well) That being said I would keep the following things in my repertoire (although my preferred list changes a lot due to inspiration gained from the at the table lectures): -ACR with the card appearing in impossible locations in the end -Thought of card to wallet -Invisible deck -NFW/ACE -A stickman routine (preferably with post-its if non-card stuff is allowed) |
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MuscleMagic Special user 794 Posts |
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On Sep 6, 2015, doopyloop wrote: There is only one question and it goes like this: Based on your personality and skills, what does it take to provide the audience with maximum entertainment? |
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doopyloop Regular user 150 Posts |
Nobody is say we don't want "provide the audience with maximum entertainment". We talk about trick we eliminate so we can do this maybe. Five best trick you have is good test to see if can "provide the audience with maximum entertainment". Also maybe we can learn why some trick stop us from "provide the audience with maximum entertainment".
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MuscleMagic Special user 794 Posts |
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On Sep 6, 2015, doopyloop wrote: some of the better tricks nobody does look at the view count and the like to not like ratio! these ratios are rare, numbers don't lie, in addition listen to the audience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFuEyz5yj_0 |
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doopyloop Regular user 150 Posts |
Well I guess is part of discusion. Ricky JAy know many trick for certainly, but he can not put every tricks into his show. So he need to eliminate some trick. There are no ACR or Oil and Water or Torn&Repair card. I don't think so anyway?
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Herr Brian Tabor Special user Oklahoma City 729 Posts |
Personally I'd eliminate anything gambling related (not my style), and counting card tricks or tricks that involve making piles, as well as quick pick-a-card here's-your-card tricks. Usually when I do card work the cards get bent, burnt, marked, changed, or in some way destroyed. It's more fun for me
If I could only do five (which is about all I do now usually), they'd be 1) ACR with Card to Wallet ending 2) Paperclipped (Jay Sankey) 3) Color Stunner (Paul Harris, with touches from David Williamson and myself) 4) Invisible Deck (with a memorized deck not a gaffed one {Michael Close}) 5) Anniversary Waltz All of these effects play very strongly for me, and I get recognized sometimes a few years later from these. I just don't care for quick here's your card tricks, and counting out cards in piles bores me to death, not to mention it gives the spectator the idea to show me the ole 21 card trick. I have no problem doing the classics, as they are classics for a reason, and people love them. |
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1666 Posts |
I'd eliminate any tricks in my repertoire that I no longer enjoy performing. If you don't enjoy performing a trick, your audience won't enjoy it either. This is why I think it is important for you to rotate what material is in your A List.
I'd also eliminate any tricks that cannot be performed under many different situations. If I've only got five tricks in my repertoire, then I want to maximise my performance opportunities. Finally, I'd remove any tricks that didn't fit with my Performance Persona and tricks that are difficult to personalise. My final list would look something like this:
Ask me next week and my list would likely be different! Marty |
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SimonG-97 Special user 508 Posts |
Hmm. Tricky. Id eliminate any trick that didn't have a strong applause cue at the finish. And id also eliminate any effect where if a card is chosen, it cannot be marked or signed in some way.
My final 5 routines would likely be.. PH bizarre twist. Cards across routine My challenge triumph. ( My own presentation, H*** Pa**, and a neat little shuffled display I figured out ) Ambitious card. My audiences seem to like it! Card to mouth/box or wallet to end depending on where I am. And also a multiple selection routine. I'd probably break the rules and perform the ultimate rip off occasionally too. I only choose the above routines because with the exception of bizarre twist ( which I always carry ) I can do my whole act with a borrowed deck and a sharpie. That's a big deal for me! |
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SleightlyChris Veteran user Lancashire, England 360 Posts |
Hmm
My 5 routines would probably be different in 5 years or at the very least look and presented differently but I'd like to imagine that I'd still do the following Las Vegas leaper Waving the aces Two phase routine of a thought of card and selected card two card transpo John carney's napkin effects from the beginning of carneycopia Bro John Hammons your signed card, David Williamson and I spent hours on this effect to create something new that I love. It floors people too. |
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magikyle Regular user 174 Posts |
1. I would immediately get rid of any procedural or 'dealing' tricks. They're so tedious that it takes so much more effort to make them entertaining.
2. oil and water's got to go 3. anything with obvious equivoque 4. anything that uses unfamiliar jargon (poker) |
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David Rhodes Loyal user 282 Posts |
I would look to keep things that are versatile primarily having the ability to be performed close up and in at least a parlor environment.
Things that have simple to understand plots that can be preformed silently so noise and language barriers are not a factor. On a personal level I would also try to not perform anything that other magicians are performing or at least change it so no laymen would understand it is the same trick anyone else performed. |
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kylebyrne New user 6 Posts |
[quote]On Sep 6, 2015, magikyle wrote:
3. anything with obvious equivoque Isn't this down to the performers delivery rather than the trick itself |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Right on, kyleb... Except that he said "obvious" equivoque. Yes, when it's obvious, which I assume it is when magikyle does it, or attempts it, then obviously don't use it. Wanna' see ways it should be used? Grab my next book (Jaw Droppers!)available in a month or so. (Two "kyle"s here - interesting.)
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Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On Sep 6, 2015, magikyle wrote: Just curious about the authors you've studied. I would wager that if you took the time to read Corinda, Annemann, Waters, Aronson, Regal, Maven, Lorayne, and others you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss equivoque. Oil and Water can be VERY strong and entertaining. Check out Anthony Owen's routine or The Sting by Walt Maddison. Dealing tricks? I agree that some are awful but then again, so are 10 phase ACRs. But some of these routines are superb. Try Harry Lorayne's Impromptu OOTW or Martyn Smith's Up the Ante. Personally I cannot think of any plot I would get rid of. It's up to the magician to make it magic. Look at Bill Malone! He can hold an audience enthralled with Sam the Bellhop and that is a procedural dealing trick. Rene Lavand's Oil and Water is a veritable masterpiece as is Roy Walton's Oil and Queens. All of this being said, I WOULD eliminate the following from card magic: 1. ANY ACR that has more than six phases 2. Any card magician who utters the words, "You see that this a regular, shuffled deck." (They get two behind the left ear). 3. Any routine that is created with a ton of sleights just for the sake of the sleights, i.e, routines that ignore effect in favor of method. 4. Card magicians who lick their fingers before dealing 5. Card magicians who think they can move in a real game. Have an ordinary day. (I don't wish to pressure anyone into having a nice day; it's a lot of work). |
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